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Just look around. I saw them here in NC literally on the side of the interstate. $2k delivered.
The way you start is by raising some money, then finding a cheap piece of property that fits your needs and living on it.
I’m in step 2 of the process right now.
Your set up seems like it might be similar to mine, because I also just want the very basics (including internet access).
So in our case we only need minimal electrical systems and a way to get a good internet connection. I’m thinking that an old sat dish will make a great long range WiFi antenna. Then you’ll either have to make a connection in town, or make a deal with a friend to use their wireless router.
The biggest factor in what you should do will always be what it is that you want out of life. If you are not 100% sure of what you want out of life, I’d say don’t waste your time and money until you are 100% sure. Once you are sure what you want out of life, it makes it pretty clear what it is that you should be doing
Well, it seems that we have a lot in common. I have the same basic situation that you do, except one difference.
I did what I had to do to get a higher paying I.T. job. It was a gigantic sacrifice, and has cost me my entire life for the last 2.5 years. But I think that it was worth it.
If you don’t want to go that route, find ways to reduce your cost of living. If you pay rent, consider buying some cheap land instead. Yeah, you might have to live in a tent for a while, but at least you’ll be building equity.
Another thing that I did that helped a lot (not always possible, but it was for me) was that I got rid of my car and drove a moped instead. There isn’t much fun about it, but the bottom line is that it is almost free transportation.
These are a few of the types of things that you can do to leverage what little income you do have, so that you can use it to make your dreams come true in the future. Always be on the look out for new ways to live below your means.
Cheap land does exist, if you are willing to live in rough circumstances.
I saw 20 acres in Elko, NV a while back for $8k. Even working at McDonald’s… you could save up and buy that in 6 months or so.
I see land up in Utah, Wyoming, Montana all the time that is dirt cheap (which is fitting, because it is nothing but dirt)!
If you are serious about going off grid, I wouldn’t waste this opportunity on Nursing school. Go get 2 or 3 jobs. Sacrifice the next 6 months / year of your life to be able to buy complete freedom.
Once you own your own land you will be financially free. Then you can do things like go to nursing school with no worries. You’ll always have a home to come back to and you’ll never have to pay rent ever again.
If you go to nursing school now, here is what will likely happen:
You’ll get a higher paying job as a nurse. You’ll make more money, then you’ll be expected to get your own place to live. Now you are talking about an apartment eating up all of that extra money that you are now making in rent. All in all you won’t really be any better off… you’ll just look better on paper.
However, consider how awesome it would be if you were a nurse living on your own land with almost no expense. You’d get to keep every dime, and live like a king
Property = Freedom
I’d recommend not wasting this opportunity to get some.
http://www.landwatch.com is what I use. I’ve found several nice properties using that site.
This is my current plan for housing:
10x10x40ft shipping container set on level ground.
Then I’ll bury it with a mountain to dirt to insulate it, get the Geo thermal advantage, protect it from the elements, and also make it less ugly.
Then I’ll plant grass and stuff in the mountain so that nature will hold it all together.
They call that a hobbit house (usually).
The reason I’m doing a hobbit house is because you run into all kind of problems with ground water if you bury it in the ground.
So this is the absolute cheapest way that I can figure out to build a house that has everything that you need (indestructible, and warm). It will be dark inside, but hey… you can deal with it for a while.
Bottom line is that this house can be put on your property and give you a reliable warm place to live for about $2k.
The things that you’ll run into that far north that will be harsh are the winters. Weather so cold that it will literally kill you, lots of snow and ice.
Snow covers solar panels, so don’t forget to plan for that.
Make sure that you have a good wood stove,and plenty of firewood.
If things go bad, all you need is that wood stove, and food to survive pretty comfortably (yeah you’ll be bored with no electricity, but you’ll be warm and fed). It’ll be freezing cold outside… so there is your natural refrigerator.
I absolutely hate cold weather, so I’m looking to go as far South as possible.
I wouldn’t even consider looking into one of those houses that you mentioned above. The plans alone for some of them cost in the range of $500!
I’ve seen these things on tv documentaries before and here that they cost around $50k to build! That is straight insanity!
You can build a shipping container house for around $2k.
There are also hay bail houses, log cabins, geo-domes, and all kind of other alternatives that you can build on the cheap using stuff that is already around you anyway.
I’ve even considered getting an old school bus, and turning it into a mobile home.
Yeah, I was never that big on the school bus idea. I’d only do that if I lived in a warm climate and needed to be highly mobile for some reason. Otherwise it just wouldn’t make any sense.
So I’ve been reading alot of online Gov docs recently about various laws in various states. Any idea where, or how to look for laws that would pertain to home steading?
I’m not even sure what to put in the search box, or how to make sure that I find everything.
Thanks for the info
I’m also starting to think about other countries as well. Does anyone have anyone info or suggestions about warm countries on or near the Ocean that have 2nd world conditions… and won’t murder me for being a white American?
I’ve been thinking about this too. I think that it may well be worth it.
Home made batteries probably always be larger in size to provide the same amount of power as a factory battery, but there are some serious advantages too.
If a single cell in your DIY battery goes bad, you can just replace or repair that one cell (instead of the whole battery).
If a plate goes bad, gets sulfated, or gets shorted by settling metal flakes… I think that it might be realistic to just remove all of the lead from that cell, melt it down, re-cast it, and just put it right back in (does anyone know what happens when you melt lead sulfate?)
If it turns out that you can melt lead sulfate to recycle the lead… then your number 1 source of scrap lead would be old dead lead-acid batteries.
So tell me about Southern Georgia. What are the pros and cons there?
Do it have any nice clear ocean for Diving?
What usually works for me is to either find, or make a metal version of the song (no matter how ridiculous it is). Have fun with that for like 20 minutes, and the original will be gone. Yeah… you’ll still be stuck on the metal version for a while… but atleast that one is funnyMarch 13, 2012 at 12:00 am in reply to: #66166
Hi, I’m new here too.
That sounds like an awesome plan. Owning that self sufficient piece of land will probably do more for you in your old age then that 401k ever would… And since you’ll be living a healthy low stress life style you’ll live longer, be healthier and enjoy the life that you do live a WHOLE lot more (well I would anyway ).
I can’t wait to find a place to build my off-grid paradise
So I realized that maybe I should tell some things about what it is that I want to do / Build.
I want to have modular housing that is built out of Cargo containers (atleast two. One for living, and one for a workshop)
Probably a few 20ft high water towers (for gravity fed water systems).
A large green house (though it will probably just be several smaller modular things … no need to go building some huge building).
A few electric solar panels (not that many, I have very small electrical requirements)
Passive solar heating panels (I’d rather just collect heat straight from the sun)
A 12ft satellite dish (for wireless internet and other various communications.)
A run way for an ultralight (just because that would be SO awesome! The whole point of doing this is freedom and enjoying life).
Eventually I’d like to put rope bridges up in the trees so that you can enjoy the entire property Swiss Family Robinson style.
So, once again the point is trying to figure out ways that I can do this legally, but costing at little as possible.
The good news is that once I buy my property and move on to it, my cost of living will be pretty close to 0, so I can then focus all of my time and effort into making all of this happen.
On the down side, even if I live dead in the center of 30 acres of forest, someone is eventually going to notice this stuff on Google Earth… not to mention the ultralight flying around and landing in the woods. So I think that hoping that no one will notice me is not very realisticMarch 13, 2012 at 12:00 am in reply to: Purified water via electrolysis? Micro Hydro water purification? Ideas #66168
I’m not a chemical engineer, but I’ve been experimenting with and studying electrolysis of water for around a decade now.
Can it be used as a purification method? Yes it can. But there are factors that you have to consider that you may not know about.
Here are some challenges that I found:
The most common and easiest to use electrolyte is salt. In the electrolysis process, the electrolyte is not always a catalyst. So in the case of using salt what happens is that it produces hydrogen gas and chlorine gas (highly toxic).
I hear that baking soda (sodium bicarbinate) is a better electrolyte, but I haven’t tried it, or looked into it yet.
Also, unless you have electrodes made of a catalyst (like platinum) they also pollute the mixture and cause all kinds of issues (not to mention that they die a quick and disgusting death).
So it can be done, but to make it a good scenario you’d have to find electrodes that are nearly perfect catalysts, and you’d also have to find an electrolyte that is a catalyst. I’ve done many experiments using salt water. It just produces hydrogen and a poisonous gas. When you burn it, it does turn into water again, but it robs oxygen from the atmosphere to do it.
So you couldn’t use this method inside a home unless it was well vented for several reasons.
It is also true that it takes a great deal of energy to make it happen. You could get some of that energy back by using the heat for some other purpose. I can also tell you that you have to carefully design your rig. Over heating rigs can and will explode if the hydrogen gets hot enough and is allowed to combine with oxygen.
So, I’m not saying that it’s impossible. I’m not even saying that it is impractical. I’m just saying that this is what I have learned about this process over that last decade or so of self study.
I also have a friend that swears by his water distiller unit. Apparently they cost about $400 or so. Perhaps that would be an alternative solution?