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  • in reply to: If you are reading this you are not off grid! #67774
    Eric T Daniels
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    yea I had to read this myself too. I am not going to read the comments however. The punch line is this. If this was the only true way to live and we all did it, there wouldn’t be much left in the Oregon woods in a few weeks. I came here to find and help people gain sustainability and reduce their dependence on cheaply produced products. I believe in and hope for a new world of people who are connected directly by the use of the internet and not by governments and corporations.

    in reply to: Hello from UK! Need advise to stay warm in camper :-( #67775
    Eric T Daniels
    Participant

    Our plan is to buy a replacement cover for one of those canvas garages big enough to give extra living space. We have a small camper and found heavy duty 10 year covers for around $600. I also plan to use tires and dig down the area our structure would be placed. This is so the outside frost doesn’t completely invade our sheltered area. This would also have to be wrapped in insulation material. This plan would still keep me able to be semi mobile. If the site wasn’t in the future going to be for living it would be a great foundation for a more permanent storage, cabin or even animal shelter. Heating it would be done by a home made mini wood boiler.

    in reply to: Hello from UK! Need advise to stay warm in camper :-( #67776
    Eric T Daniels
    Participant

    I didn’t grasp that your as they call it stealth camping in a van when I first read it. I dive truck for a living. The trend is a bunk heater that burns fuel. They are very small and don’t use very much fuel or battery life. I would see if a bunk heater would be suitable for your needs.

    in reply to: My Long term self-sufficiency and prepration plan. #67777
    Eric T Daniels
    Participant

    Very well thought out. My family is planning on finding and helping multiple groups become sustainable.  I would be able to provide a little extra income and free labor while visiting these groups. We want to build a network of people. I drive truck for a living and once things start to collapse feel it would be a great benefit to the network of communities to be able to trade items between groups. We also believe as Micheal Reynolds does that it isn’t enough to just be prepared because those who aren’t are going to become very motivated to take from others. It is and will continue to be our goal to be able to learn quick and effective ways  to gain support of these prep plans from those people who haven’t yet excepted that our current situation is going to get far worse before it gets better. We are almost ready to head out on our adventure and are excited. We are still looking for those who would welcome us to get started. I don’t believe that turning back to the colonial days is going to be the answer. I also believe that if people pull their resources together not only as a group but also forge alliances with  many other groups the speed at which progress can be achieved is unlimited. I live in central Pa area. I know how well the Amish system works and understand that it isn’t one church of people. In fact each group operates in their own way, however as a whole the groups can and do pull resources such as heavy equipment and building large structures. We believe that a modern approach to this lifestyle will have great rewards for everyone and will launch the Off Grid movement in ways never before dreamed.  We look forward to having more conversations about the future of people. It’s time we get moving on our dream.

    in reply to: My Long term self-sufficiency and prepration plan. #67778
    Eric T Daniels
    Participant

    My Biggest Part of our plans is to simply educate people on energy. Most people don’t grasp it. A huge amount of people believe that the best source of electric is what comes from the power lines that as produced by a large power plant. I worked in that industry as a repairman for awhile. Yes many people have watched documentaries on the sad state our power grid and other infrastructure is in. Those who want to GO GREEN are the worst group of people to be misinformed about energy. This group of people though well intention ed are fighting for so called green energy. They believe in a false set of rules that the very producers of energy have created. This group still believes that green energy can be produced and transferred on the grid at an affordable cost. They also believe that the cost to an individual to produce their own energy can’t outweigh the benefit. I truly care and value those who are fighting every day to protect the environment. This however is the truth they haven’t heard from their well adjusted, high income organizers.

    Here in Pa we produce 1/3 of the power for America. This power has been produced in a large part from coal, nuclear and now natural gas. The goal as said by our president was to make it unprofitable and impossible for coal power plants to continue to operate and end any possibility to build new ones. I know this is not anything Off Grid people care about given they are geared up to eliminate this source from their lives. However it is a planned approach from the big energy companies to keep the cost of self produced energy products or the use of them out of the reach of every day people.

    So to educate those misguided well meaning folks does two very important things in the quest for those who desire an Off Grid lifestyle. One the more people who get with the program the cheaper the products, most of which are already produced here in Pa and other parts of the country. And secondly it creates careers and small business. I hope a huge amount of Off Gridders can get this.  I hear it many times every day when talking to people who believe going green isn’t an option for them.

    How to reach these people and why. The fact is as stated before the faster this trend goes the less of a fall that happens. Don’t get me wrong going off grid isn’t going to solve the worlds problems. I however know it is the number one greatest factor that will change the world on multiple layers. While each of us strives to prepare and achieve our sustainability getting into the mind set to explain why others should doesn’t take a lot of our time. It is important to bring these people  toward the favorable conclusion in bite sizes they can grasp. I am still learning myself how to do this while learning ways to explain energy to them in a way they can grasp.

    When opportunities arise to have a conversation about solar, wind, green energy and even off grid I have learned to avoid the traps  the big energy companies have set first. I simply explain the loss of energy that they are paying for but will never see. I explain to everyone that wind mills are no greener then coal fired plants if not carried out properly. I explain that energy is spent to gain the raw materials needed to build the new plant. Energy is used to build the service roads, and the power lines. The whole process for Pa to change from dirty coal to wind, natural gas or solar in the end uses up so much energy that the pollution of that energy will take 100’s of years to gain any benefit.

    Next I explain energy loss. Everyone on the power grid pays a bill for energy that was produced but will never be used because of loss. 35% loss in production 35% loss in transferring. It is further loss in our homes by the very products we cherish in our  high tech gadgets. So people who are ill informed seek out what cost they will incur to produce energy for their home which was designed to waist energy. The power companies didn’t get where they are by making energy less needed.  So I explain to people before pricing what it would cost to have enough solar panels to run their home they first need to price what it would cost to transfer their life to DC.

    Most people never think about the products currently in their home and on the market that use DC. My TV, laptop, daughters Desk top our printer the Xbox many light fixture and the list goes on are in fact DC products that have a built in loss when AC has to be turned back into DC. I explain to people that the same wire in their home that carries AC will carry DC. SO before these people spend $20,000 on solar panels and $5,000 on a wind mill they need to have an electrician fix their current wiring. Then Have these DC powered products power without the AC to DC transformer. It isn’t easy for the average person to due but much less of a cost then 25 to 30k in green energy.

    Then As you stated fixing the heating system, water systems and fictions of their home that were not meant for self produced DC power. When they Are done then a proper energy plan can be designed for their home. And even if they aren’t completely off the grid the average American home would only need 30% of it’s current electricity. That is 70% gain. If people understand that by doing this they will fend off the proposed 600% energy cost we are faced with. If they don’t I ask them their current monthly bill and ask them if they can afford that % of increase in the next 3 to 5 years?

    In the end My desire to go Off grid no longer seems crazy to them and also gets them thinking in the right direction. What I don’t tell them is my goal is to bankrupt the big energy one home, one community, one day, every day I can. That means the cost of energy for those who resist change will go even higher then the proposed 600%. Our dream is to gain speed on our plan and bring down the cost of products and get them directly in the hands of the customers. We are wanting to gain the interest of small investors and business minded individuals to sit down and develop a micro manufacturing process for these products. Make it local, build it local, sale it local, and maintain it local.

    I have a great amount of ideas, plans and ability get this over the top. What I need is the people and more funding. Until such a time I need to be out in the trenches with the front line Off Grid people. I need a place to set up a camper that can accommodate a family for a smaller cost then renting homes. I need to be off grid myself.

    in reply to: Where to start? #67770
    Eric T Daniels
    Participant

    Yes I agree going into the wild is a very dangerous thing to do even for those who are extremely well equipped and knowledgeable. I like to get ideas from you tube on projects I would like to try. The whole bug out mania to me is just as dangerous. I grew up in north eastern Pa. It once was a great place to live. The average folk in the area were poor. Together the people for the most part got by with the help of neighbors and family. Much of the small family farms are gone and the area is filled with weekend homes of people from many city areas in Pa and Ny. Other then the Public forest lands there isn’t any place to bug out to that you wouldn’t be met with groups of people who would force you out and run you off. Other then the extremely harsh areas there is no refuge.

    I ask myself everyday, Where do I start. I have plenty ambition and an overall dream. I have a wife and children to provide for as well. If America was still connected with it’s community and the land as it once was the situation we face wouldn’t be that grim for the average person. It is a shame that we have so much more technology and equipment today but can’t seem to fix the simplest hardships.

    My wife and I settled into Jersey Shore Pa four years ago in a small community of Riverdale Mobile Home park. We struggled to fix up our home. We also helped many of our neighbors when we could and they helped us. I then set out to find out what could be done to make our community more self sustainable. It became our dream to also help out communities around the country.

    Last year our community was taken for a pumping station for the gas industry. Those who would like to gain a better understanding of what happened can look up saveriverdale.com My post here and topic about riverdale isn’t to gain money, rather its for people to understand the direction our country and the world is headed. If people don’t start reaching out to help those in their community and become self sustainable we are all at risk. Our energy consumption has got out of control.

    Many of the people we got to know from the Riverdale resistance continue to hold protest and lobby hard every day to stop the industrialization of rural communities around the world. We support and respect those who do both resist and prep however it still won’t be enough.

    Our dream still is to travel and organize everyday people to get together in communities to help each other. The average person today doesn’t understand the energy they use and the loss it has. I get people everyday ask me questions about putting solar panels on their home to become self sustainable. They talk about the cost vs the gain. The average person thinks it’s a choice between one or the other.

    I like how Michael Reynolds explains it. His community is self sustainable, however if the rest of the world goes over the cliff, they will take him as well. I have only one way to get a project started. A win win. To be able to live for little to nothing and contribute to the community. Once that community has a handle on the project our family heads to the next community. If I have to continue to return my job earning back into living expense I will never be able to break this cycle.

     

    in reply to: New Dawn Project, near Albuquerque, NM #67771
    Eric T Daniels
    Participant

    We have received a few direct invites to check out peoples communities, as you say to see if we fit. Unless the drive is within an hour it’s not economical for most people with children to do. We have friend who already have set up groups and are well on their way toward their dreams. We look forward to revisiting them when we can, however they aren’t a fit for us. They all are great folks and we will always value their friendship. It would be nice if people who are looking to gain some valued members to their group or community to have a basic idea of what their plan is and be able to express that to would be members.

    The basic’s

    Structure of guidelines and how people resolve differences. There are many experiments in communal living that have failed miserably trying to figure out things out.

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