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oh and the reason its only a 2 blade is its a fixed direction
and it was the easiest to build lol
(that should read im to lazy and impatient to mess with 3 or more blades lol)
The other thing i think we would need is industry every succesfull
pioneer comunity was founded on some form of industry ie cattle ranching,
gold mining,sawmilling,transport or a combination of many things.
the successfull village that i said i loved living in had a pottery that attracted tourists before it was a pottery it was a pub and before that a whorehouse i am told it adapted to the changing times.it also has a general store and postoffice which was the railway siding before. it has a vw repair
shop several ranchers and smallcropers also bannana plantations and a beekeeper
and it used to have a electronics repair guy, a ham radio guy who was also a chiropractor, a acupunturist and a stationary printer also used to have some sawmilling.
at one time i was the electronics repair guy but before me there was another old guy who i purchased my first oscillascope from (still ran on valves lol)
and after me there was another guy who started doing the electronic repair
who i started to teach before i left but i dont think he listened very well lol
lol The point to all this reminising is that there has to be something
to bring IN the outside wealth because sure as anything there is going to
be wealth leaving the village I like my coffee and I know it will not grow in NE Nevada so its something that will have to be purchased (wealth leaving the village)
the trick is to have the wealth entering the village be more than whats leaving it this is where being mostly self sufficient will help.
there are many cottage crafts that would be suitable to bring in wealth
even in todays age of competing with China but it would
need both a Trader as i previously described and it would need self sufficiency
in most other aspects of our life.
right now oil and energy is still very cheap that is why we can afford to
ship raw materials to China and have them manufacture finished goods and
ship them back for less than we can make them here.
Its hard to compete with cheap energy whch allows the movement over such large
distances often i hear it blamed on cheap chinese labor but its not just that
in this day of robots and production lines. Personally i dont blame the chinese for selling us poorly produced crap its our fault for buying it and buying it and buying it again lol.
but ultimately cheap energy is what shut down the local general store or
gas station because its now cheaper to drive 20 or 50 miles to a wallmart or 76 gas station than buy locally.
This would have to change not just by wishfull thinking or good vibes it would take industrious people who just like what they do and feel a sense of community spirit and acomplishment when there products/wares are purchased and appreciated.
I believe in permaculture concepts of energy descent the communities
that start or adapt to energy descent will thrive others will continue
Elnav in a previous post you described your town as shutting down because the sawmill closed this is not uncommon sawmill,mining,agriculture,fishing,
etc etc it all changes and our comunities must adapt. On the upswing small industries shut down because they could not compete with the big guys and now the big guys are beginning to shut down or consolidate and soon it will be the little guy leading the way again if the little guy could be encouraged and supported
encouraged by purchasing his product and supported by say the trader selling his wares then the village/town with some good little guys would thrive.
got to log off but before i do it was cheap energy/shipping that shut down the little guys in favor of things like modern day wallmart if the cost of energy
was to increase or if through largely local trade we could negate the cost of shipping then the little guy,cottage craft and small communities would again
begin to thrive
I would love to show them how its done lol
you are spoton Elnav that is possibly why your community is not
adapting well to the changes that has befell it even though it has
a lot of good things already going for it.
and that could be a good reason to form a new community of people who are already dedicated to a new type of lifestyle.
I think most people who visit this site share many common beliefs
even if they are based on enviromental or political or financial or spiritual
reasons I think it is fair to say most people here believe its a good idea
to NOT depend on other people or governments for their energy,water,food and shelter.and many here just feel a sense of acomplishment providing for
their own needs kind of like the stone age hunter returning with meat for the
tribe. not to mention the lack of stress not having to worry about affording
paying the electric bill this month lol.
so i think its reasonable if villagers lol could be found through this site
we would all share a common goal even if we are totally different peoples
wow a political barrier? how do you even know my political beliefs?
i generally keep them to myself unless asked I know I am not the best
person for expressing things in writing and often this leads to
misconceptions about me.
but just so everyone knows im a libertarian, a constitutanalist GO RonPaul 2012 lol
would you not like to have me in your community simply because of a political belief? Im smart, hardworking, honest and a share your interest in living off grid would that not make me a good member of your comunity even if your a democrat and i think Al Gore is a crook and Nancy Pelosi makes my ears ring in pain whenever she speaks.
i dont think different politics,religon etc rules out a person as a valuable
member of a community (It takes all sorts)thats another saying i like.
finances are another matter of course ive spent all i could afford getting
gear here and getting set up I could not pull up stakes and move across the country again and im sure others have the same consideration.
this is a very inexpensive area to buy and own no doubt but it has limited
employment oportunites and that is going to be hard for many people
unless we make our own employment.
your observation about people initially interested in off grid
dont always have the technical skills to get them started and
set up is true and that is why a community is a good way to start
water is the key to this area from what i know aquifer water level is 200 to 300 feet which is totally doable there are a couple of wells in the area used by the ranchers.personally i am going catchment and storage rather than well.
rainfall in the area this year at least seemed plenty for all my needs and a small garden area I just wish i had my gutters and tank finished in time to catch this years precipitation.Also there is one small natural spring at about 10 miles on the way to town and i am pretty sure another at about 7 miles but i have not checked that one out yet.
If i can help it i dont want to have to go well because at 200 to 300 feet it puts a major burden on alternate energy sources for pumping it can sure be done
but if precipitation is enough id rather be using rainwater anyway.
Alright I admit it I would love to live in a village with a tavern,old english pub/inn or mead hall as the community center.you know the sort A fat jolly barkeep, cobb walls, candle or lamp light, fire in the corner,microbrew on site,thick wooden furniture,simple accomadations upstairs,cute barmaid,
good solid food even if it lacks variety.I knew of a place like that once
out in the middle of nowhere and very popular with the locals and tourists
but eventually the law of the land shut them down due to many different rules and regulations.It used to be that places like that were where we went to
network instead of on the computer pick up some work, sell something, meet friends, get a cheap but good meal,rent a simple bed if we were passing through.
last time i went out to a pub all i had was extreme amounts of noise to the point where i could not even think let alone talk,crappy food (pretzles and potato chips)and crappy beer brewed by some huge brewing company that wants
me to think because they have cute babes and fast nascars in their advertising
that their beer somehow tasts acceptable.
end of rant lol
the sticky part of a tavern would not just be the brewing license
it would be everything if it was opened and marketed to the public.
as soon as you wanted to make it public everything would have to comply to some code electrical,plumbing,construction even though where i am is very remote and the local building inspector seemed very easy to get along with.
as soon as you started talking about a public tavern it would get a lot
of unwanted attention i think. I thought it would be better to skirt
that trouble by keeping it a semi private venue.I can do a lot of things
cob construction,concrete,woodworking i can even forge some fancy iron hinges
or cast brass candle holders but i cant handle paperwork and beuracracy.
I thought the tavern etc would be the abode or under the direction of the
type of person/s i described as the socialite i guess i have in the back of my mind possibly the husband and wife grandpa and grandmotherly type.
semiretired, old but hale,lots of stories even if you cant believe most of them,good cooks,maybee grandpa is a brewer or grandma is a herblady.
of course anybody could fill the role of socialite if they are friendly
and good with people that is just my idea and rarely do my ideas come out exactly as i thought lol
As far as what i can provide ill be running bees,rabbits,worms,chickens,fish and maybee some goats when i can get some decent fences built.im still young
enough to help out with straight physical work and have a good amount of building expierience I can also set up of grid power systems solar,wind,methane etc and i will be getting my forge running again
and hope to pick up some forge piece work or perhaps do a kind
of traveling tinker thing to earn some cash income.
I also have a small tractor and some other light farm equipment
which would come in handy im sure.
I also do a lot of traveling with work now and have trailers where i can pick
up and transport a lot of things if needed
My idea for the other person i thought of as key to a succesfull village
community would be the trader somebody who is a good networker good at finding
things maybee likes doing the craigslist thing or doing the farmers market/flea market on the weekends.
yep i have been trying to reply all day im sorry for your stroke and that you
had nobody who would help.I believe in helping my neighbor if able i cant help thinking you may be in a bad location.
Ill reply more tomorrow bedtime here
Now the post in question is back in landbuddy but missing the first sentence or 2 also lots of trouble yesterday logging in and staying logged in.
Elnav i think we are similar in that i have also concentrated on the technical aspects of off grid living and i feel like that is my weak point.there is something that I am missing and I can not realy even explain what it is
except to say the social life of community.
i lived in a small village of about 300 people once a mix of what i affectionately call rednecks and hippies and while its true there
was often disagreements that little village had a great atmosphere.
many little businesses and fun people i loved living there.
thats why i think many different types of people are needed to truly make
a community but with a simple ideal to bond them together and with the
right people glue.
Im thinking back now to that little village and there was one or 2 people
who were the people glue. a hippy lady who I always thought of as the queen of the hippies lol she got on well with everyone and was often having parties and
plays for the community.and a big redneck guy who did not always get on with everyone but he was an amazing human networker if you wanted something done
wanted to find something or someone get rid of something he was the guy to
there was I guess other people who cemented the community together as well
but those are the 2 that come to my mind the socialite and the human craigslist
I dunno what happened my landbuddy post ended up in events?
just wanted to second elnavs recomendation of dc gensets being a more
economical way to charge batteries.
cant help much with what you have but i would try running a small load like you suggested a light bulb of the generator as well.
im using a 3g capeable phone and it has a mobile hotspot feature right out of the box. where i am its poor service and normally only functions at 1g which
seems faster than the old dial up but seems very slow compared to my old dsl
connection.i noticed that when browsing the internet i avoid vid downloads
because it has a 2gig per month tranfer limit and when you go over that it costs 20 dollars per gig.my service provider is verizon.
great for email,message boards and work if you dont need to be uploading
downloading large amounts of data.
if i need to upload a large video file i will transfer it to my phone and upload directly from there because i have unlimited data transfer from the phone.the 2gig per month limit only applies to the 3g network
I dont think i can help much except that your system sounds huge to me
and you probably have more than enough to run the things you mentioned.
if it were me id probably skimp on panels probably down to 500 watt
and find other ways to do things like a smaller fridge.I would also skimp on the generator and build a home brew charger from a vehical alternator and a 5-8 horse briggs and stratton this could be used to charge your batteries and even as a small welder.
wire is going to get spendy
best of luck
cant help you but if you find out what it is i would also be interested
in it sounds like just my kind of book.