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  • in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65402

    yep thats why a comunity who are already working toward self sustainability

    for whatever reason would fare much better.than a community which relies heavily on imports and cheap energy for trucking.

    most likely during energy descent we would all start to scrounge and canibalise

    our machinery and infrastructure to make do as things change.In fact i think recycleing will be a growth industry.

    I dont think trade will ever completely cease but it will likely become more

    sensible lol those strawberries flown in from ecuador may have to stop.

    I do agree a community will have to look closer to home to fullfill its needs

    most of your examples i would have a solution for but it would be better if

    that solution was adopted deliberately and early rather than forced in an emergency as a simple matter of survival.

    as an example somebody who was making moccasins or sheepskin boots as part

    of a cottage craft industry would likely be the best person to start repairing or making new boots.

    or somebody doing pottery as a cottage craft could also likely build pipes for water movement or pots for water storage.

    Thats why a community with a lot of small industry is the way to go

    and here also is the problem many people myself included have a

    fantasy of setting up a little cottage craft business and making enough

    money to live on like a candlemaker as an example

    candles are important i think everybody should have them but in most cases

    the new candlemaker is going to run up against shipping and marketing

    costs and competition with large manufacturing and importing companies.

    and that candlemaker will be lucky to break even let alone make enough income

    to pay his living expenses in a (cant think of the word i want so ill just say modern)way of life.

    but what if that candle maker was living off grid almost self sustained

    with few other expenses what if his neighbors supported him by purchasiing

    and bartering for his candles rather than chinese imports and what if as a

    comunity they shared in the expenses and effort of marketing and shipping

    so that the candlemaker could bring in some extra cash income?

    and the candlemaker would of course be supporting the other small industries in the area.

    does anyone else agree this could work??

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65404

    what you say is true about not needing to rely on interstate transport

    but and im only throwing this out there as an example there are many

    ways to get your wax for candles bees could provide most if it was

    currently worth scraping and rendering etc also animal fats like lard and tallow make excelent beeswax extenders and there is a tree that grows here

    called juniper which has berries which are both edible (not the tastiest lol)

    but can be boiled to produce a good quality and valuable aromatic wax.

    lot of labor involved in the collection but its a possible

    the ground here has plenty of clay in it im not up on the different clays

    but i know its one of the things that gets mined near here

    This seems like it would be good sheep country and there are naturally available dies if need be but dies would be something simple and

    inexpensive to ship also.

    cochineal im not sure if the bug is here but the opuntia cactus is

    and if peru can export it i dont see why it cant be produced here

    at least in small quantities

    im sure somebody who was into spinning and weaving probably knows many other

    natural dies as well.

    local markets would be important not just the internet besides im sick of both

    paypal and ebay gauging me every time i sell something on ebay.

    i didnt mind them making some money for the service they provided but they got greedy.

    at the local markets you would end up with out of state traders or people

    that had stock from locations other than local even if it was packed in

    on donkeys lol supply and demand has worked since history has been recorded

    it makes sense that it can keep working.

    the trick i think is just to produce something that has value from like you

    said mostly local sources to cut down on shipping costs and the middle man as much as possible.the other part of the trick would be simply to not need

    a lot from non local sources.

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65406

    well so far i would say resources are. excelent wind and solar power prospects

    ive actually got a home brew windmill that can make electricity or drive

    mechanical tools directly (have not reset it up yet)

    seems like good topsoil. subsoil has a high clay content down about 3 feet

    you get into a sand/gravel mix which is working good for concrete after i winnow out some of the clay from it.lots of fossils in the area but you are not permited to make money from finding and selling those.

    have not seen any poisonous snakes or scorpions just a couple of non

    poisonous ones. lots of little critters though mice,chipmunks i think and rabbits.actually also plenty of large game this area is known for its fine hunting.

    flora consists of sagebrush many wild plants and flowers i cant identify

    cactus,juniper, looks like a couple of varieties of pine i dont think

    there is enough larger trees to warrant a sawmill that exported but i have noticed the local ranchers have been cutting posts to use for there fences.

    i dont know what the permits you would need to do that from the BLM land or whether its just from your own property but natural resources say it is possible.

    all my small animals seem to be doing well rabbits,bees and chickens

    rabbits like eating many of the plants that grow wild like sagebrush

    and there are plenty of flowers for the bees.

    chickens seem to do well anywhere if you can keep away all the other critters that want to eat them lol.

    I think it will come down to what does somebody want to do? there is likely a good local solution a way to cut down or eliminate long distance shipping

    for example the sheep and wool idea gives rise to ideas for felt hats or even

    traditional yurts i believe rabbit skins were also used in australia to produce felt.and a good wide brimmed felt hat is imensly superior to those straw hats that i just wasted 10 dollars on recently and didnt last me a month.

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65409

    yes its a trade off between high speed and high torque I already have 1 small electrical turbine working great a little Airx

    here is my big one

    it was an experiment that i was happy with i am going to add a bit of surface area to the blades to add torque before i reset it up.

    the reason i though about a dual setup is that i dont have to watch it to produce electricty so im not to worried if its not terribly efficient on that side but i also dont have a need to use it mechanically all the time

    so when i am not using it mechanically i can just tranfer it over to

    produce electricity.

    there is a little link under it showing it grinding grain and i have a better

    alternator for it now and i will also want some form of better power transfer

    between top and bottom in the vid all i had was a rope but i can either get a belt,a chain or some form of drive shaft.

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65410

    oh and the reason its only a 2 blade is its a fixed direction

    and it was the easiest to build lol

    (that should read im to lazy and impatient to mess with 3 or more blades lol)

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65393

    The other thing i think we would need is industry every succesfull

    pioneer comunity was founded on some form of industry ie cattle ranching,

    gold mining,sawmilling,transport or a combination of many things.

    the successfull village that i said i loved living in had a pottery that attracted tourists before it was a pottery it was a pub and before that a whorehouse i am told it adapted to the changing also has a general store and postoffice which was the railway siding before. it has a vw repair

    shop several ranchers and smallcropers also bannana plantations and a beekeeper

    and it used to have a electronics repair guy, a ham radio guy who was also a chiropractor, a acupunturist and a stationary printer also used to have some sawmilling.

    at one time i was the electronics repair guy but before me there was another old guy who i purchased my first oscillascope from (still ran on valves lol)

    and after me there was another guy who started doing the electronic repair

    who i started to teach before i left but i dont think he listened very well lol

    lol The point to all this reminising is that there has to be something

    to bring IN the outside wealth because sure as anything there is going to

    be wealth leaving the village I like my coffee and I know it will not grow in NE Nevada so its something that will have to be purchased (wealth leaving the village)

    the trick is to have the wealth entering the village be more than whats leaving it this is where being mostly self sufficient will help.

    there are many cottage crafts that would be suitable to bring in wealth

    even in todays age of competing with China but it would

    need both a Trader as i previously described and it would need self sufficiency

    in most other aspects of our life.

    right now oil and energy is still very cheap that is why we can afford to

    ship raw materials to China and have them manufacture finished goods and

    ship them back for less than we can make them here.

    Its hard to compete with cheap energy whch allows the movement over such large

    distances often i hear it blamed on cheap chinese labor but its not just that

    in this day of robots and production lines. Personally i dont blame the chinese for selling us poorly produced crap its our fault for buying it and buying it and buying it again lol.

    but ultimately cheap energy is what shut down the local general store or

    gas station because its now cheaper to drive 20 or 50 miles to a wallmart or 76 gas station than buy locally.

    This would have to change not just by wishfull thinking or good vibes it would take industrious people who just like what they do and feel a sense of community spirit and acomplishment when there products/wares are purchased and appreciated.

    I believe in permaculture concepts of energy descent the communities

    that start or adapt to energy descent will thrive others will continue

    in decline.

    Elnav in a previous post you described your town as shutting down because the sawmill closed this is not uncommon sawmill,mining,agriculture,fishing,

    etc etc it all changes and our comunities must adapt. On the upswing small industries shut down because they could not compete with the big guys and now the big guys are beginning to shut down or consolidate and soon it will be the little guy leading the way again if the little guy could be encouraged and supported

    encouraged by purchasing his product and supported by say the trader selling his wares then the village/town with some good little guys would thrive.

    got to log off but before i do it was cheap energy/shipping that shut down the little guys in favor of things like modern day wallmart if the cost of energy

    was to increase or if through largely local trade we could negate the cost of shipping then the little guy,cottage craft and small communities would again

    begin to thrive

    I would love to show them how its done lol

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65395

    you are spoton Elnav that is possibly why your community is not

    adapting well to the changes that has befell it even though it has

    a lot of good things already going for it.

    and that could be a good reason to form a new community of people who are already dedicated to a new type of lifestyle.

    I think most people who visit this site share many common beliefs

    even if they are based on enviromental or political or financial or spiritual

    reasons I think it is fair to say most people here believe its a good idea

    to NOT depend on other people or governments for their energy,water,food and shelter.and many here just feel a sense of acomplishment providing for

    their own needs kind of like the stone age hunter returning with meat for the

    tribe. not to mention the lack of stress not having to worry about affording

    paying the electric bill this month lol.

    so i think its reasonable if villagers lol could be found through this site

    we would all share a common goal even if we are totally different peoples

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65397

    wow a political barrier? how do you even know my political beliefs?

    i generally keep them to myself unless asked I know I am not the best

    person for expressing things in writing and often this leads to

    misconceptions about me.

    but just so everyone knows im a libertarian, a constitutanalist GO RonPaul 2012 lol

    would you not like to have me in your community simply because of a political belief? Im smart, hardworking, honest and a share your interest in living off grid would that not make me a good member of your comunity even if your a democrat and i think Al Gore is a crook and Nancy Pelosi makes my ears ring in pain whenever she speaks.

    i dont think different politics,religon etc rules out a person as a valuable

    member of a community (It takes all sorts)thats another saying i like.

    finances are another matter of course ive spent all i could afford getting

    gear here and getting set up I could not pull up stakes and move across the country again and im sure others have the same consideration.

    this is a very inexpensive area to buy and own no doubt but it has limited

    employment oportunites and that is going to be hard for many people

    unless we make our own employment.

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65398

    your observation about people initially interested in off grid

    dont always have the technical skills to get them started and

    set up is true and that is why a community is a good way to start

    an learn.

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65388

    water is the key to this area from what i know aquifer water level is 200 to 300 feet which is totally doable there are a couple of wells in the area used by the ranchers.personally i am going catchment and storage rather than well.

    rainfall in the area this year at least seemed plenty for all my needs and a small garden area I just wish i had my gutters and tank finished in time to catch this years precipitation.Also there is one small natural spring at about 10 miles on the way to town and i am pretty sure another at about 7 miles but i have not checked that one out yet.

    If i can help it i dont want to have to go well because at 200 to 300 feet it puts a major burden on alternate energy sources for pumping it can sure be done

    but if precipitation is enough id rather be using rainwater anyway.

    Alright I admit it I would love to live in a village with a tavern,old english pub/inn or mead hall as the community know the sort A fat jolly barkeep, cobb walls, candle or lamp light, fire in the corner,microbrew on site,thick wooden furniture,simple accomadations upstairs,cute barmaid,

    good solid food even if it lacks variety.I knew of a place like that once

    out in the middle of nowhere and very popular with the locals and tourists

    but eventually the law of the land shut them down due to many different rules and regulations.It used to be that places like that were where we went to

    network instead of on the computer pick up some work, sell something, meet friends, get a cheap but good meal,rent a simple bed if we were passing through.

    last time i went out to a pub all i had was extreme amounts of noise to the point where i could not even think let alone talk,crappy food (pretzles and potato chips)and crappy beer brewed by some huge brewing company that wants

    me to think because they have cute babes and fast nascars in their advertising

    that their beer somehow tasts acceptable.

    end of rant lol

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65390

    the sticky part of a tavern would not just be the brewing license

    it would be everything if it was opened and marketed to the public.

    as soon as you wanted to make it public everything would have to comply to some code electrical,plumbing,construction even though where i am is very remote and the local building inspector seemed very easy to get along with.

    as soon as you started talking about a public tavern it would get a lot

    of unwanted attention i think. I thought it would be better to skirt

    that trouble by keeping it a semi private venue.I can do a lot of things

    cob construction,concrete,woodworking i can even forge some fancy iron hinges

    or cast brass candle holders but i cant handle paperwork and beuracracy.

    I thought the tavern etc would be the abode or under the direction of the

    type of person/s i described as the socialite i guess i have in the back of my mind possibly the husband and wife grandpa and grandmotherly type.

    semiretired, old but hale,lots of stories even if you cant believe most of them,good cooks,maybee grandpa is a brewer or grandma is a herblady.

    of course anybody could fill the role of socialite if they are friendly

    and good with people that is just my idea and rarely do my ideas come out exactly as i thought lol

    in reply to: NE Nevada offgrid village #65391

    As far as what i can provide ill be running bees,rabbits,worms,chickens,fish and maybee some goats when i can get some decent fences still young

    enough to help out with straight physical work and have a good amount of building expierience I can also set up of grid power systems solar,wind,methane etc and i will be getting my forge running again

    and hope to pick up some forge piece work or perhaps do a kind

    of traveling tinker thing to earn some cash income.

    I also have a small tractor and some other light farm equipment

    which would come in handy im sure.

    I also do a lot of traveling with work now and have trailers where i can pick

    up and transport a lot of things if needed

    My idea for the other person i thought of as key to a succesfull village

    community would be the trader somebody who is a good networker good at finding

    things maybee likes doing the craigslist thing or doing the farmers market/flea market on the weekends.

    in reply to: landbuddy problems #65364

    yep i have been trying to reply all day im sorry for your stroke and that you

    had nobody who would help.I believe in helping my neighbor if able i cant help thinking you may be in a bad location.

    Ill reply more tomorrow bedtime here

    in reply to: landbuddy problems #65365

    Now the post in question is back in landbuddy but missing the first sentence or 2 also lots of trouble yesterday logging in and staying logged in.

    Elnav i think we are similar in that i have also concentrated on the technical aspects of off grid living and i feel like that is my weak point.there is something that I am missing and I can not realy even explain what it is

    except to say the social life of community.

    i lived in a small village of about 300 people once a mix of what i affectionately call rednecks and hippies and while its true there

    was often disagreements that little village had a great atmosphere.

    many little businesses and fun people i loved living there.

    thats why i think many different types of people are needed to truly make

    a community but with a simple ideal to bond them together and with the

    right people glue.

    Im thinking back now to that little village and there was one or 2 people

    who were the people glue. a hippy lady who I always thought of as the queen of the hippies lol she got on well with everyone and was often having parties and

    plays for the community.and a big redneck guy who did not always get on with everyone but he was an amazing human networker if you wanted something done

    wanted to find something or someone get rid of something he was the guy to

    talk to.

    there was I guess other people who cemented the community together as well

    but those are the 2 that come to my mind the socialite and the human craigslist

    in reply to: landbuddy problems #65361

    I dunno what happened my landbuddy post ended up in events?

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