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  • #67614
    WrethaOffGrid
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    rbonuc29, some believe that going off grid means living in a cave, wearing skins and eating worms, I am not one of those people :)

    I like the freedom I have by using modern technology to generate my own power, I also like the freedom I have of having the knowledge of how to do things the “old fashioned way”, without modern technology… as long as the technology exists and I can go to the store to buy clothes and the other necessities (as well as some wants), then that is all good… I’m not advocating turning our backs on modern society… I just chose to place a buffer zone between myself and the city, I still visit the city from time to time to get the things I need and want… after that I’m very happy to get back to my little piece of paradise… :)

    Wretha

    #67616
    rbonuc29
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    then my model is consistant with yours.

    I feel that so long as these people aint making us pay for food land and energy. I dont have much of a problem with the rest.  alot like Wretha. its terrible to see people paying 3 and 4 dollars per pound of anything. And then 20 to 30 dollars per sq ft. when these things were 1/3 the price 25 yrs ago. When there was 120 m less poeple here squeezed into sardines these cities. here in S. florida for example we are pushing 4 m people. in an area that is roughly 80 miles by 40 miles. With an Ag ( agricultural ) land that can barely keep up with the pop. not to mention the lbs of food a month ppl eat these days. And at the door step of the ever glades which down here, is sw 400 ave around there. And you cant develop that land cause its a precious aquafur loaded with oxygen. But thats straight to were that shovel is going to go…soon.

    #67617
    WrethaOffGrid
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    I hope I misunderstood your reply rbonc29, what’s wrong with paying for land, services and products? I believe in the free market approach, keep the government out of it. If something has value, then people will pay it to acquire it, if it’s too expensive then people will stop buying and the seller will either lower their price or go out of business, let the seller and buyer decide how much things are worth, believe me it will balance out if the government is kept out.

    I don’t want handouts from the government, anything they can give to you, they can take away just as quickly, “free” things come with strings, very long strings, and there is no such thing as free, the government is either taxing the rest of us to pay for these “freebies” OR they are stealing it, either way it’s OPM (other peoples’ money), that doesn’t last forever, they will eventually run out of OPM then there will be an entire group/class of people who don’t know how to do anything for themselves because they have relied on the government to supply their needs.

    Wretha

    #67618
    rbonuc29
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    we should not have to pay for food or water , land only once and energy should be free. thats free market. when you only pay for goods. that stuff should not be included in free marke equation. It should just be goods. but? here we include those things as part of the market cycle. And they drain people out of at least half there income. Rent , water, energy food. pure…theft. When you can build nuclear power plants, solar pannels and windmills. Or when you have all this farm land with food, Plus you have what freeking billions of lakes here. i have to try very hard to believe. You have to charge for these things??? how when one person harvests?? a modern farm./ i find it very very hard at this point. That housing, energy and food should be part of a free market cycle. very hard. !!

    #67619
    rbonuc29
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    i do take hand outs from the gov. i would of been ashamed to say that in the 20 th century and the 21 st i have zero problem claiming that.

    Because they refuse to guard the border.

    So that means for every 1000  mexicans within 10 blocks.. in here my rent goes up least 100 dollars. my rent has gone up since 1995 about 700 dollars. Do to migration. In miami i use to pay 550 now 900 cause of the southern hemispherics migrating. Plus they consume massive amounts of meat. So imagine i go to the store and its 20 bucks a week in meet.

    There for i have to charge the goverment 800 bucks a month. Cause of border failure, and inflation immigration causes to my houshold. And i aint paying for it !!! so i passed it on to them in the form of a program. Tuff crap !!.  And I cant hold a job cause theres so many of them to choose from. So you know i need some support. thats why im thinking of going off grid. Just to keep my budget between 500 to 700 bucks. as is now. I will have to find 300 k just to live here 5 years. thats a titanic mission as a “fair skinned” mid aged..person in miami age 43. so you know…def checking this life style out.

    #67620
    rbonuc29
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    i envision 2 acres in naples. producing about 100 lbs of food a month. living in a mobile home so as to not attract any taxxes.

    thats half glass to use less light. with  poultry And electric cart, start up solar array and propane. And aquaponics. this would reduce the hemeraging alot. And level off housing, energy transportation and food. Allowing for savings growth. but as is now im looking at 100 k just in housing food water and energy and transportation.

    right here in miami 2013 – 2018. that is to much !

    #67621
    WrethaOffGrid
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    Soooo who is paying to supply all this free food and water, land and energy? It doesn’t produce itself, it doesn’t travel to market by itself, it isn’t packaged by itself, someone is producing the food, planting it, growing it, harvesting it, there are costs involved, now if I grow my own food to feed myself, that’s different, but honestly in this world, not too many people are growing their own food, they have to get it from somewhere, I’d love to see you plant, grow, harvest, preserve if necessary (can, dry), you incur all those costs, even if it’s just your labor, then GIVE it away to everyone, that would not be fair to you, the person who put in all the hard work…

    Same thing applies to power and fuel, SOMEONE is producing the product and providing the service, do they not deserve to earn a wage on what they produced or should they just give it away and not earn a wage? If you are relying on the government to supply these things, they still aren’t free, someone is paying for these things, either through taxation, theft or slavery. If I have 2 cows, under socialism, the government takes one or both of my cows and distributes the cows and milk to everyone, doesn’t matter that I incurred the cost of buying, feeding and caring for these cows, that is THEFT in the name of giving a handout to everyone else.

    I own my land, I do not want the government taking my land and giving it away to other people, even if I’m allowed to continue living here, I worked hard and paid for it myself, I also do not want squatters on my land.

    You want to build more powerplants and give the electricity away, WHO PAYS FOR THIS? It’s not free to build powerplants, it’s not free to run and maintain these powerplants. I generate my own power and do not have to pay to use MY electricity, BUT I paid to purchase the equipment I needed in order to do this, I don’t rely on the government to give me handouts because it cost someone else to supply the handout, no thank you.

    Water, yes there are lots of bodies of water, but this water needs to be purified, then distributed to homes, how can that be free? Of course you can go out, collect your own water, purify it if it needs it and be your own supplier, but to expect someone else to do all the work then GIVE it away is not right to the person/company/employees doing the work.

    Wretha

    #67622
    WrethaOffGrid
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    I sincerely wish you well in your endeavors, I just hope you do it yourself and not on someone else’s dime… be as self sufficient as possible, that’s fine, but don’t rely on the government for handouts, that is one of the things that is draining this country, there are many other things wrong, but give us a true free market (not giving things away) where the buyer and seller decides what the fair market price for something is and does so without the interference of the government.

    Wretha

    #67623
    Dustoffer
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    Self sufficiency and local bartering are in the future.  Overpopulation is pushing everything, and who knows when the tipping points will be crossed for this biosphere.  Then there is peak oil, water, soil, and food.   https://peakfood.co.uk/what%E2%80%99s-peak-food/

    Our government for some treason reason, seems to want to make it worse, and have hurt millions of people.

    For those of us who can see ahead, off grid is the only way to go.  Sure there is some sacrifice, and a lot of hard work—that’s the way it is.  We want to try to survive the future, and to the future, and, with me, even make the future survivable.  :)

    #67624
    WrethaOffGrid
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    rbonuc29, I like your plan about moving to Naples, tell me what you are doing to achieve this goal?

    Wretha

    #67626
    Cahow
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    Oh, dear. I think I’ll need to find my Tinfoil Hat to follow most of the conversation in this thread. LOL

    Wretha, my dear, you have the patience of a saint. My Tinfoil Hat off in salute to you.

    Regarding this statement: “And you cant develop that land cause its a precious aquafur loaded with oxygen.”  “Aquafurs” don’t contain “oxygen”, they contain water, hence the name “aqui”, the combined form of Latin for Water and -“fer” for “bearing”.  Otherwise, it would be known as an “oxyfur” or more correctly spelled oxyfir/aquifir where I live.

    #67628
    WrethaOffGrid
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    Cahow, I’m not interested in alienating anyone, even someone with different ideas from me :) Perhaps we can all learn from each other. People often live what they learned growing up, if their parents were socialistic, then chances are they will be too, if their parents were more independent, conservative then chances are that’s what they will be… the area where you grow up also has an effect on your politics, I was born in Texas (thank God!) and spent most of my life here, but I spent a couple of years in southern California, now THAT’S a socialistic place! I remember the propaganda that was taught in the schools, it was mostly good intentions but still very much socialistic… I’m glad I was exposed to it but I’m also glad it didn’t rub off on me.

    Thanks for the tinfoil hat salute, I’m kinda partial to tinfoil hats myself :)

    Wretha

    #67630
    beast
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    i prefer beasty fur….lol

    #67633
    rbonuc29
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    the everglades take carbon and release oxygen the evergalde contribute 20 percent to that purpose.

    #67634
    rbonuc29
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    i am shelfing my naples plan as plan B. And deploying it if work become difficult going foward.

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