Going too far!
by WRETHAOFFGRID on JANUARY 19, 2013 - 12 Comments in EVENTS, PEOPLE, WRETHA

I don’t normally write (here) about political topics, I may stray into the subject from time to time but generally tend to leave that alone, especially hot topic buttons… until now. If you have eyes and ears, you have to know about the firearm issues going on here in the USA. With the latest tragedy that happened, I don’t have to name it, I’m sure you know which one I’m talking about, there have been some real questions surfacing about this tragedy and what really happened there, but more importantly, I want to talk about the firestorm of controversy that it has been ignited.

I will say right off the bat, I am a conservative Christian with slight libertarian leanings, I believe in the Constitution of the United States, including the 1st and 2nd Amendments, unfortunately that seems to put me into a special category with the powers that be, even though I have not broken any laws, nor do I promote breaking laws, I do however expect those in charge to abide by the Constitution.

I grew up around firearms, there were many military and law enforcement personnel as well as hunters in my family, firearms were no big deal, BUT we were taught as kids to respect firearms and always assume they are loaded, they were not playthings or toys to mess around with. That’s not to say there were firearms all over the place, they were properly put away, locked away, but available if needed.

I also respect other peoples’ opinions about firearms, if you don’t like them or don’t want them, then you have every right not to possess, buy or own one, but no one has the right to prevent law abiding citizens from buying, owning or possessing firearms, period. I’m not for or against owning a firearm, that is an individual decision, but I am for the right of the law abiding citizens to be able to buy, own and possess firearms without government intrusion.

So what made me decide to write about this today is this little picture I found online:

My first reaction is “no way is this going to happen!” Upon further investigation, this ends up being more subtle and complicated than it first appears (in the picture). I looked it up and found this:

You can read the entire file here:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/wh_now_is_the_time_full.pdf#page=9

While it’s not as hardcore as the image, it does open the door to some potentially serious abuses, so what does the doctor do with such information? Are they going to call the local police with the info or will there be a clearing house for reporting this information? What happens if your doctor happens to be anti-gun and believes no one should be able to own them? What if your family was like mine, responsible firearms owners AND you have children? Should your doctor be able to turn this information over to the authorities just because you came in with a sore throat?

I don’t know where all of this is going, I just hope cooler heads prevail, my opinions are that there are already many firearm laws on the books, it is against the law to shoot someone (except in self defense), it is against the law for a convicted felon or the mentally ill to own, buy or possess a firearm. There are many gun free zones in place now, these are precisely the places where criminals and mentally ill are going to go to shoot people, they pick the places where they are least likely to encounter someone else who is armed and would try to prevent them from killing as many people as possible. You never hear of some crazed killer going to a gun range, gun show or police department to commit their heinous acts.

With this latest tragedy that has happened, I suspect more information will come to light to answer the many questions that all of us have, my point here is don’t punish the millions of law abiding gun owners because of the actions of one person. None of the laws being thought up and none of the executive orders being created would have stopped what just happened, more laws and restrictions are not the answer, at best it is a placebo for the people and at worst it is an attempt to disarm law abiding citizens, we all know that criminals are not following the law in the first place, what makes anyone believe they will suddenly grow a conscience and turn in any illegal firearms they possess?

I have heard of cases where schools have probed children about whether or not their parents had firearms in the home, I put this into the same category, it’s none of their business, neither the school or your doctor should have the right to ask your children what you have at home, at the very least they should talk to the adults/parents, not ask the children.

My answer to this is you don’t have to answer any questions about this subject to your doctor or school staff and in light of this new development, NEVER leave your kids alone with a doctor or other medical staff. You can also instruct your kids not to discuss what is inside of their home, their answer to any kind of question like that can be “You can ask my parents about that.“, that goes for anyone who is a medical person, school staff, daycare staff, ANYONE who would ask your children about private things like firearms, medicine, gold and other precious metals, jewelry, money, food storage and anything else you wouldn’t want the world to know you LEGALLY have in your home…

What does this have to do with living off grid? Plenty, there is the hunting aspect, being able to put food on your table, and there is the self defense aspect, being able to protect yourself, your family and your property from criminals. Do I wish there was less gun violence in the world? Of course I do, just the same way I wish there were no drunk drivers in the world, but no one is calling for a ban or limit on vehicles.





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12 comments

1 Igor Gitelstain { 01.19.13 at 9:36 am }

Hi. I am Israel citizen, I am not American. I am interesting in “off grid” way of life, its a reason that I am here. I read your opinion about weapon and I can tell you like independent obtherver that it sounds crazy to me. Firearm weapon designed to kill. If you are policmen or soldier, you have limitted permision to use weapon. If you make mistakes you going to jail or going home. You said that you are responsible citizen. Maybe you are, but how can you be shore that your neighbor is?
The only reason that in America you allowed to buy a weapon it`s a money. The people whom produce weapon are powerful and they don`t care about peoples life, they want your money.
If you wont to protect yourself, buy a bulletproof jacket, buy a peppering spray, buy sound granade, buy other non mortal weapon.
If you want to hunt, buy a bow. Don`t be crazy. And I think that it doesnt matter if you a cristian or muslim or jew… Weapon = Death

2 Wretha { 01.19.13 at 3:52 pm }

Hi Igor, I respect your opinion, as I said in the article:
“I also respect other peoples’ opinions about firearms, if you don’t like them or don’t want them, then you have every right not to possess, buy or own one, but no one has the right to prevent law abiding citizens from buying, owning or possessing firearms, period. I’m not for or against owning a firearm, that is an individual decision, but I am for the right of the law abiding citizens to be able to buy, own and possess firearms without government intrusion.”

I have personally been in situations where having a gun meant the difference whether I walked away from a situation or not, fortunately I have never had to fire at anyone, but I would be absolutely 100% willing to if it came down to it. And bullet proof jackets and pepper spray would not have changed the situation. I never want to have to use a firearm in self defense, but I will if I have to.

In the USA we have a Constitutional right (for law abiding citizens who are of sound mental health) to buy, own and possess a firearm, and for that I am eternally thankful.

Wretha

3 Adder { 01.20.13 at 1:41 pm }

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

That is not only in our Bill of Rights, it is a God-given right of nature to defend yourself. Weapon also = deterrent to tyranny and criminal activity against property and life. Just because someone has a weapon doesn’t automatically result in death but quite the opposite the result is usually the saving of life. We became a free nation and are still a free nation because we are an armed nation. The push for new laws and hidden control such as that picture illustrates and like the new addition to the IRS code being proposed giving a $2000 tax credit if you turn in your guns are aimed at one thing and one thing only – the disarming of America allowing for a tyrannical dictatorship and a New World Order to be ushered in. The major anti-gunners have clearly stated that.

Good article Wretha. I have that same story on my Facebook page. We all need to keep pushing this and the other stories out there to bring them to the attention of the general populace because the mainstream media certainly won’t. They are part of the problem.

4 Deb { 01.21.13 at 10:52 am }

this is one of the issues that could turn our nation against itself. where are our governed leaders that are suppose keep our constitution intact?

5 Kim W { 01.21.13 at 5:33 pm }

I was wondering which of ya’ll belong to a WELL REGULATED (MONITORED) MILITIA?

YES, we own guns, including an ak47, yet I still see the need for common sense gun control. I did not have an issue with any of President Obama’s 23 point Executive Order.

6 Wretha { 01.21.13 at 5:47 pm }

You apparently failed to read the complete amendment, it refers to more than just a militia, “the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed”…

BTW, your AK47 is considered an “assault weapon” because it looks scary, are you going to turn it in when asked to do so?

Wretha

7 Pixie { 01.22.13 at 12:50 am }

About the Militia remarks… Those who claim guns are for “militia/military use only”, you need to be educated. Per current US law, via US Code: “10 USC § 311 – Militia: composition and classes”…

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

8 Pixie { 01.22.13 at 12:53 am }

Essentially all males ages 17-45 are, by default, a part of the “unorganized militia” of the United States. This does not exclude women, for those wondering, it just doesn’t automatically include them by default (keeping in line with historic tradition, in which women, children, and older citizens were not called upon to take up arms- but they were seldom turned away (well women were in many cases, but that’s not the case anymore, as it mentions women in the national guard specifically- so no women willingly volunteering to serve in some unorganized militia capacity would be likely to turned away merely cuz she’s a woman)).

9 Riverrat { 01.22.13 at 10:52 am }

The sheeple blindly following the dictator in chief will not stop until everyone that doesn’t want to depend on big government to take care of them and make their own decisions for them are in chains.

10 TRM { 01.22.13 at 11:00 am }

“Hi. I am Israel citizen” – who doesn’t belive in gun ownership??? – anyone see a problem with that statement.

“You said that you are responsible citizen. Maybe you are, but how can you be shore that your neighbor is?” – And who are Isreal’s neighbor’s ? – Guess that’s why you have illegal nuke’s. Please research this before you comment

“The State of Israel requires armed adults in every school. There have been no school shootings since that policy was implemented. ”

Maybe America should follow Israel’s lead

Where I live it is recomended not to wander in the woods without a gun, we have a bit of a bear problem. Had one shot on my street corner and I live in a town of 30,000, even have gotten bear reports as part of our local traffic reports on the radio.
There are many resons people need a tool like a gun and not once is anyone mentioning the fact that all of the lasted shootings we done by people on psycotopic drugs like Prozac and yet no-one calls for the outlawing of these drugs
so in a way youy right – it’s all about the money

11 tfo { 01.31.13 at 11:39 pm }

Pixie…. Hope your poor interpretation helps you when you are being beaten and rapped by scumbags that didnt read your thread. And more so why dont you educate yourself about Hitlers Germany. took away the guns and then ….well you are so smart you know what happened. Or are you a progressive that does not believe in the Holocost. xoxxxooooxxx

12 LikeMind { 09.22.13 at 12:22 pm }

Hi treasuregift, look up Rodney Dale..his case w/”f-arm” he suggested… looking up the definition…. hope that helps

LikeMind

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