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		<title>By: Li</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2010/02/05/independence-or-a-new-dependency/comment-page-1/#comment-286809</link>
		<dc:creator>Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elnav has some great points that are missed by many.  You do trade one thing for another when you go off the grid.  And, most people are not willing to own up to that.  

We all use energy but we need to use it wisely and not be spendthrifts with it.  I spoke with a woman touting her fabulous decrease in garbage by recycling and had only 1 small bag of garbage for the week.  She later spoke about how she was using her neighbors plastic recycling, folded her boxes and brought them to the dump and that left her with only 1 small container.  Still the same amount of garbage but it wasn&#039;t in front of her house!

We have the desire to move further out but we plan on a generator, WI-FI and indoor plumbing.  With today&#039;s technology, you can do it.  No one is planning on living on root berries in sack cloth but you can cut down on things or make choices that have a positive impact.  That is what being a good steward is all about, use what you have wisely, don&#039;t waste and offer positive solutions that are affordable and feasible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elnav has some great points that are missed by many.  You do trade one thing for another when you go off the grid.  And, most people are not willing to own up to that.  </p>
<p>We all use energy but we need to use it wisely and not be spendthrifts with it.  I spoke with a woman touting her fabulous decrease in garbage by recycling and had only 1 small bag of garbage for the week.  She later spoke about how she was using her neighbors plastic recycling, folded her boxes and brought them to the dump and that left her with only 1 small container.  Still the same amount of garbage but it wasn&#8217;t in front of her house!</p>
<p>We have the desire to move further out but we plan on a generator, WI-FI and indoor plumbing.  With today&#8217;s technology, you can do it.  No one is planning on living on root berries in sack cloth but you can cut down on things or make choices that have a positive impact.  That is what being a good steward is all about, use what you have wisely, don&#8217;t waste and offer positive solutions that are affordable and feasible.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim McKirdy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim McKirdy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To go off grid is not so hard anymore. If you do go off grid remember do it right the first time. Earth homes eliminate the use of air conditioners and heating systems. Sky lights let light in rooms and homes during day light hours. Now for electric power. There are two types of electric power available. DC and AC. Power as much of your home with DC power. Produce enough DC power with Solar Panels, charge controllers  plus a bank of batteries. Now you are off grid. You really don&#039;t have to give up any creature comforts. What you are actually doing is being part of the solution and not part of the problem. Power Companies only deliver AC power to homes. The only affordable way I know how to go off grid is to use solar photovoltaic. I designed, developed and deployed over the years almost 4 million off grid products, including: 1. Solar Powered Aids to Navigation, Solar Lawn Lighting, Solar Products for use in Space, Solar Powered Calculators, Solar Street Lighting, Solar Powered Communications Systems. All these products are DC power generation products. When you add AC inverters, that is when you loose power. Look at your car, it is off grid in a way. You would be supprised at just how many off grid products there are. This is how I feel. &quot;We can not fix a problem by thinking the same way that caused the problem. So instead of talking we should all take action. As long as we burn fuel, convert water to hydrogen, swap food for gas we will never move forward . We should all thrive to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. The best way to solve the energy problem that faces all of us. Is to invest in our own future.&quot; The best solution to our energy problem is to get off the grid. Problem Solved!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To go off grid is not so hard anymore. If you do go off grid remember do it right the first time. Earth homes eliminate the use of air conditioners and heating systems. Sky lights let light in rooms and homes during day light hours. Now for electric power. There are two types of electric power available. DC and AC. Power as much of your home with DC power. Produce enough DC power with Solar Panels, charge controllers  plus a bank of batteries. Now you are off grid. You really don&#8217;t have to give up any creature comforts. What you are actually doing is being part of the solution and not part of the problem. Power Companies only deliver AC power to homes. The only affordable way I know how to go off grid is to use solar photovoltaic. I designed, developed and deployed over the years almost 4 million off grid products, including: 1. Solar Powered Aids to Navigation, Solar Lawn Lighting, Solar Products for use in Space, Solar Powered Calculators, Solar Street Lighting, Solar Powered Communications Systems. All these products are DC power generation products. When you add AC inverters, that is when you loose power. Look at your car, it is off grid in a way. You would be supprised at just how many off grid products there are. This is how I feel. &#8220;We can not fix a problem by thinking the same way that caused the problem. So instead of talking we should all take action. As long as we burn fuel, convert water to hydrogen, swap food for gas we will never move forward . We should all thrive to be part of the solution and not part of the problem. The best way to solve the energy problem that faces all of us. Is to invest in our own future.&#8221; The best solution to our energy problem is to get off the grid. Problem Solved!</p>
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		<title>By: Lornkanaga</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2010/02/05/independence-or-a-new-dependency/comment-page-1/#comment-284465</link>
		<dc:creator>Lornkanaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 14:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elnav,

Thank you for such a wonderful post.  Have you considered using that wood to make charcoal?  A by-product of the charcoal-making process is biofuel, which is something I thought you would be discussing in your article.  In addition to the charcoal (the larger pieces capable of being burned separately) created by pyrolisis is biochar (the smaller pieces), which can be crushed and used in gardens and spread around trees and bushes to enhance the soil.

My husband and I look forward to retirement and leaving the city for the quiet country life.  Unfortunately, he&#039;s the one who is adamant about his creature comforts; fortunately, he&#039;s very supportive of my desire for minimal grid needs -- ie, solar power and solar hot water heating as well as rainwater cachment and greywater recycling.  I also hope to set up a garden and greenhouse, and one of the things I plan to get is a home-size pyrolosis setup to make biochar to not only use in the garden but to cut down on the amount of unrecyclable household and yard waste that would otherwise end up in the local landfill.

By the way, I caught the &quot;biochar bug&quot; after reading a piece on terra pretta here at Off-Grid.net and have spent much time reading about and researching biochar ever since.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elnav,</p>
<p>Thank you for such a wonderful post.  Have you considered using that wood to make charcoal?  A by-product of the charcoal-making process is biofuel, which is something I thought you would be discussing in your article.  In addition to the charcoal (the larger pieces capable of being burned separately) created by pyrolisis is biochar (the smaller pieces), which can be crushed and used in gardens and spread around trees and bushes to enhance the soil.</p>
<p>My husband and I look forward to retirement and leaving the city for the quiet country life.  Unfortunately, he&#8217;s the one who is adamant about his creature comforts; fortunately, he&#8217;s very supportive of my desire for minimal grid needs &#8212; ie, solar power and solar hot water heating as well as rainwater cachment and greywater recycling.  I also hope to set up a garden and greenhouse, and one of the things I plan to get is a home-size pyrolosis setup to make biochar to not only use in the garden but to cut down on the amount of unrecyclable household and yard waste that would otherwise end up in the local landfill.</p>
<p>By the way, I caught the &#8220;biochar bug&#8221; after reading a piece on terra pretta here at Off-Grid.net and have spent much time reading about and researching biochar ever since.</p>
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		<title>By: elnav</title>
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		<dc:creator>elnav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:47:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of  sucking from the great petroleum tit &lt;smile&gt; I subscribe to an engineering forum and about a year ago someone posted a query about designing  an oil fuelled lantern that would use vegetable oild derived from a bush that grew  wild in india.  Apparently this bush has berries and leaves that can be harvested and  crushed  to extract an oil that readily becomes fuel.  The viscosity is different from  kerosene  hence the attmpt to design a better lamp. The oil is also used as fuel for village  generators  for the electrification of rural india.  
Unfortunately any attempts at bringing such a plant into North America would likely be opposed by the environmentalists as  an undesirable  invasive specie. But most attempts are doing something similar with native plant specie is usually  met with opposition by the established  suppliers of fossil fuel products.  yet another example of  how  forces  conspire to maintain the status quo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of  sucking from the great petroleum tit <smile> I subscribe to an engineering forum and about a year ago someone posted a query about designing  an oil fuelled lantern that would use vegetable oild derived from a bush that grew  wild in india.  Apparently this bush has berries and leaves that can be harvested and  crushed  to extract an oil that readily becomes fuel.  The viscosity is different from  kerosene  hence the attmpt to design a better lamp. The oil is also used as fuel for village  generators  for the electrification of rural india.<br />
Unfortunately any attempts at bringing such a plant into North America would likely be opposed by the environmentalists as  an undesirable  invasive specie. But most attempts are doing something similar with native plant specie is usually  met with opposition by the established  suppliers of fossil fuel products.  yet another example of  how  forces  conspire to maintain the status quo.</smile></p>
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		<title>By: elnav</title>
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		<dc:creator>elnav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mag netic anomaly
I think we share a similar outlook.  Too many people are unwilling to give up any of their  comfort  items. Yes they are willing to heat with wood provided it is delivered,  cut and split and they can  hire someone to stack it for them.  A self cleaning wood stove would be nice as well.
In my case  hand cutting  and back packing the wood  home simply isn&#039;t an option.  Ten miles is just too far for such  a venture.  Considering  the doctor said I would be in a wheel chair by now  I consider myself lucky to be able to walk unaided  at this time.  I did have to get some  loggers caulking boots with spikes  in order to be able to walk around the wood piles and cut the scrap wood as illustrated  in the photo.  These piles of wood are scrap trees  considered garbage  by the mills because they are either the wrong specie or too small for cutting into dimensional lumber. they are left to dry for a year then burned unless locals like me  cut them up for fire wood first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mag netic anomaly<br />
I think we share a similar outlook.  Too many people are unwilling to give up any of their  comfort  items. Yes they are willing to heat with wood provided it is delivered,  cut and split and they can  hire someone to stack it for them.  A self cleaning wood stove would be nice as well.<br />
In my case  hand cutting  and back packing the wood  home simply isn&#8217;t an option.  Ten miles is just too far for such  a venture.  Considering  the doctor said I would be in a wheel chair by now  I consider myself lucky to be able to walk unaided  at this time.  I did have to get some  loggers caulking boots with spikes  in order to be able to walk around the wood piles and cut the scrap wood as illustrated  in the photo.  These piles of wood are scrap trees  considered garbage  by the mills because they are either the wrong specie or too small for cutting into dimensional lumber. they are left to dry for a year then burned unless locals like me  cut them up for fire wood first.</p>
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		<title>By: elnav</title>
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		<dc:creator>elnav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 19:29:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Larry  
please  provide more information about the &#039;liquid glass&quot; you are referring to. My google search gave too many confusing links.  The closest was a liquid  silicon dioxide coating that was  advertised as  porous and able to breathe.   If this was what you intended my comment is  how would that contain hydrogen molecules?  If this is not what you intended how about elaborating  more in a subsequent post?&lt;!--more--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Larry<br />
please  provide more information about the &#8216;liquid glass&#8221; you are referring to. My google search gave too many confusing links.  The closest was a liquid  silicon dioxide coating that was  advertised as  porous and able to breathe.   If this was what you intended my comment is  how would that contain hydrogen molecules?  If this is not what you intended how about elaborating  more in a subsequent post?<!--more--></p>
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		<title>By: Mag Neticanomaly</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mag Neticanomaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your well grounded and practical perspective is a breath of fresh air, Elnav. 

I have heated my homes with wood since 1979.  Cut it all with a crosscut and carried it on my back until about four years ago. Could no longer afford the time..but I truly miss the exercise and silence.

Now I cut my firewood with a gas-powered chainsaw and haul it with 79-year-old gasoline (originally kerosene) powered tractor.

Went off the elec grid in 1989..but paraffin candles and later kerosene lamps  still of course amounted to sucking from the Great Petroleum Tit.

Independence of course is always relative, and in the strictest sense an illusion.  We all depend on the ecosphere....and on our not-always -conscious-or-voluntary choice of human constructs

The most important thing, IMHO, is for those choices to be conscious.

I am an engineer by profession when not fully occupied with subsistence chores, and have had a business for many years building and repairing machinery.  In my shop, given energy (currently use combination of PV and gasoline generator),  scrap metal, and man-hours I could theoretically maintain roughly a 1920 technological level without ever having to buy parts.   But I would still be dependent on scrap, which derives from a vast infrastructure.

I had a good friend who was working on a road-worthy wood burning steam engined truck when he died.  I imagine burning home-squeezed sunflower seed oil in a Diesel tractor, or building and running a steam tractor, and running a hydraulic chainsaw such as the utility companies use from the tractor hydraulic system...

But to live in a style anything beyond that of the pre-European- contact Amerindians requires inevitably a large economic and technological network.  Even the Indians traded over long distances for desirable flint and other stones for toolmaking and ornaments.  





Year and a half ago finished building  solar power system, providing electricity for lights, computer, refrigerator</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your well grounded and practical perspective is a breath of fresh air, Elnav. </p>
<p>I have heated my homes with wood since 1979.  Cut it all with a crosscut and carried it on my back until about four years ago. Could no longer afford the time..but I truly miss the exercise and silence.</p>
<p>Now I cut my firewood with a gas-powered chainsaw and haul it with 79-year-old gasoline (originally kerosene) powered tractor.</p>
<p>Went off the elec grid in 1989..but paraffin candles and later kerosene lamps  still of course amounted to sucking from the Great Petroleum Tit.</p>
<p>Independence of course is always relative, and in the strictest sense an illusion.  We all depend on the ecosphere&#8230;.and on our not-always -conscious-or-voluntary choice of human constructs</p>
<p>The most important thing, IMHO, is for those choices to be conscious.</p>
<p>I am an engineer by profession when not fully occupied with subsistence chores, and have had a business for many years building and repairing machinery.  In my shop, given energy (currently use combination of PV and gasoline generator),  scrap metal, and man-hours I could theoretically maintain roughly a 1920 technological level without ever having to buy parts.   But I would still be dependent on scrap, which derives from a vast infrastructure.</p>
<p>I had a good friend who was working on a road-worthy wood burning steam engined truck when he died.  I imagine burning home-squeezed sunflower seed oil in a Diesel tractor, or building and running a steam tractor, and running a hydraulic chainsaw such as the utility companies use from the tractor hydraulic system&#8230;</p>
<p>But to live in a style anything beyond that of the pre-European- contact Amerindians requires inevitably a large economic and technological network.  Even the Indians traded over long distances for desirable flint and other stones for toolmaking and ornaments.  </p>
<p>Year and a half ago finished building  solar power system, providing electricity for lights, computer, refrigerator</p>
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		<title>By: Joel S Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel S Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 14:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very good article/commentary...I think the human race is ALWAYS going to have issues such as this (well, until larger issues come along...) until we realize that our fundamental views about housing need to change.

We are harvesting wood (and manufacturing toxic materials) to build &#039;traditional&#039; type homes that have relatively low thermal mass/insulative qualities...so *of course* they require quite a lot of heating/cooling...which then leads to industrialized harvesting of the resources being used to heat &amp; cool.

All of this sort of stuff is what led me to the Earthship concept years ago; imagine re-using waste products to build a self-sustaining home that (if designed and operated efficiently) could potentially use *no* external fuel for heating, potentially captures it&#039;s own water, etc etc.

Great concept...unfortunately, the powers that be will do everything they can to outlaw these types of abodes...

Just food for thought.

Check out:

http://earthship.com/

Also, the movie: Garbage Warrior (documentary about Michael Reynolds, Earthship &#039;inventor&#039;)

Thanks and hope I haven&#039;t offended anyone...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very good article/commentary&#8230;I think the human race is ALWAYS going to have issues such as this (well, until larger issues come along&#8230;) until we realize that our fundamental views about housing need to change.</p>
<p>We are harvesting wood (and manufacturing toxic materials) to build &#8216;traditional&#8217; type homes that have relatively low thermal mass/insulative qualities&#8230;so *of course* they require quite a lot of heating/cooling&#8230;which then leads to industrialized harvesting of the resources being used to heat &amp; cool.</p>
<p>All of this sort of stuff is what led me to the Earthship concept years ago; imagine re-using waste products to build a self-sustaining home that (if designed and operated efficiently) could potentially use *no* external fuel for heating, potentially captures it&#8217;s own water, etc etc.</p>
<p>Great concept&#8230;unfortunately, the powers that be will do everything they can to outlaw these types of abodes&#8230;</p>
<p>Just food for thought.</p>
<p>Check out:</p>
<p><a href="http://earthship.com/" rel="nofollow">http://earthship.com/</a></p>
<p>Also, the movie: Garbage Warrior (documentary about Michael Reynolds, Earthship &#8216;inventor&#8217;)</p>
<p>Thanks and hope I haven&#8217;t offended anyone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 13:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. What about lining the piping with the new &quot;liquid glass&quot; --that&#039;s going to revolutionize just about everything</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. What about lining the piping with the new &#8220;liquid glass&#8221; &#8211;that&#8217;s going to revolutionize just about everything</p>
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		<title>By: cmonguys</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmonguys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It never ceases to amaze me how the staunch environmentatist ignores the fact that the laws of thermal dynamics aply to everything. You can&#039;t get anything for nothing. You will pay for it in one way or another, on one side of the equation or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It never ceases to amaze me how the staunch environmentatist ignores the fact that the laws of thermal dynamics aply to everything. You can&#8217;t get anything for nothing. You will pay for it in one way or another, on one side of the equation or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: elnav</title>
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		<dc:creator>elnav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul; yes i do remember the fanfare that first greeted  professor Scott&#039;s announcements concerning hydrogen power.  Sadly the promised nirvanna of abundant free energy never materialized. Ballard Power in Burnaby  is among  the leading commercial companies  that have tried to realize the potential promised by  Hydrogen power. Despite  decades of research only a few  hydrogen fuel cells  have hit the market.  A friend  in Europe works for a company that recently took delivery of an Italian built fuel cell that promises to deliver 6 kW.  It will be  while beforefield trials  are completed.  One of the premises  behind the proposal to get abundant  hydrogen was based on the notion that electrolysis would be  used  and the electrical power  would come from the nuclear  reactors such as Ontario Hydro was building back then. 

The concept was to  use the surplus power from nuclear stations  during slack periods of power demand to make  hydrogen. This would  keep the base load on a nuke  very high on a constant basis. Hydrogen  could then be stored and used as fuel. Ballard Power had done  a field trial of public transit busses.  These experimental hydrogen fuelled busses never became mainstream due to  various  maintenance and service issues. The transit company also tested  methane  as a fuel.  Neither really got top marks as an alternative fuel.  Back then we did not realize  how  severe hydrogen embrittlement  was nor how damaging it would be  for the piping used in nuclear stations.  Replacement of embrittled piping has proven to be a major  expense in maintaining  nuclear reactors.
Because  hydrogen molecules are so small they tend to insinuate themselves into and through  the molecular structure of the metals  used  for piping inside  the reactors.  I worked for a company that built equipment for the nuclear fuelling machines and we  had to pressure test the piping with helium  because it was  decided  hydrogen  was too dangerous to handle and  helium was close enough  in molecular size to  be a close substitute for pressure  testing.  Therein lies the real problem with hydrogen. The molecules  are so  small they can leak through just about  any  kind of container.  We do not have  the technology to handle it the way we do propane or gasoline.  Even Ballard  has experienced their share of  tank leaks.  The  trick is to formulate a coating with a molecular  lattice so small a single hydrogen molecule cannot get through it.  When we do,   Canada  will be  in a position to produce  major quantities of  Hydrogen  fuel.  We  already have huge  hydro-electric  generating capacity  not to mention  one of the largest private nuclear generating  company in North America. 
At present  most of the commercial hydrogen fuel cells  rely on petroleum feed stock to create the required  hydrogen using a proton exchange membrane  technology. Its  going to be a while yet  before it reaches  economic viability.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul; yes i do remember the fanfare that first greeted  professor Scott&#8217;s announcements concerning hydrogen power.  Sadly the promised nirvanna of abundant free energy never materialized. Ballard Power in Burnaby  is among  the leading commercial companies  that have tried to realize the potential promised by  Hydrogen power. Despite  decades of research only a few  hydrogen fuel cells  have hit the market.  A friend  in Europe works for a company that recently took delivery of an Italian built fuel cell that promises to deliver 6 kW.  It will be  while beforefield trials  are completed.  One of the premises  behind the proposal to get abundant  hydrogen was based on the notion that electrolysis would be  used  and the electrical power  would come from the nuclear  reactors such as Ontario Hydro was building back then. </p>
<p>The concept was to  use the surplus power from nuclear stations  during slack periods of power demand to make  hydrogen. This would  keep the base load on a nuke  very high on a constant basis. Hydrogen  could then be stored and used as fuel. Ballard Power had done  a field trial of public transit busses.  These experimental hydrogen fuelled busses never became mainstream due to  various  maintenance and service issues. The transit company also tested  methane  as a fuel.  Neither really got top marks as an alternative fuel.  Back then we did not realize  how  severe hydrogen embrittlement  was nor how damaging it would be  for the piping used in nuclear stations.  Replacement of embrittled piping has proven to be a major  expense in maintaining  nuclear reactors.<br />
Because  hydrogen molecules are so small they tend to insinuate themselves into and through  the molecular structure of the metals  used  for piping inside  the reactors.  I worked for a company that built equipment for the nuclear fuelling machines and we  had to pressure test the piping with helium  because it was  decided  hydrogen  was too dangerous to handle and  helium was close enough  in molecular size to  be a close substitute for pressure  testing.  Therein lies the real problem with hydrogen. The molecules  are so  small they can leak through just about  any  kind of container.  We do not have  the technology to handle it the way we do propane or gasoline.  Even Ballard  has experienced their share of  tank leaks.  The  trick is to formulate a coating with a molecular  lattice so small a single hydrogen molecule cannot get through it.  When we do,   Canada  will be  in a position to produce  major quantities of  Hydrogen  fuel.  We  already have huge  hydro-electric  generating capacity  not to mention  one of the largest private nuclear generating  company in North America.<br />
At present  most of the commercial hydrogen fuel cells  rely on petroleum feed stock to create the required  hydrogen using a proton exchange membrane  technology. Its  going to be a while yet  before it reaches  economic viability.</p>
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		<title>By: elnav</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2010/02/05/independence-or-a-new-dependency/comment-page-1/#comment-282453</link>
		<dc:creator>elnav</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a postscript  to my article above,  let me say that my work experience  is mainly in North America but I was born in Denmark and much of my early cultural  outlook remains  European.  
I first  worked on building wind generator automated controls back in the mid seventies so my  interest and involvement  in alternative energy goes back a long time.  Despite several decades  we have not attracted  a huge following  so  I conclude a shift in outlook  and  implementation to going off-grid may be  beneficial and attract  more  supporters. I would love to hear some opinions from readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a postscript  to my article above,  let me say that my work experience  is mainly in North America but I was born in Denmark and much of my early cultural  outlook remains  European.<br />
I first  worked on building wind generator automated controls back in the mid seventies so my  interest and involvement  in alternative energy goes back a long time.  Despite several decades  we have not attracted  a huge following  so  I conclude a shift in outlook  and  implementation to going off-grid may be  beneficial and attract  more  supporters. I would love to hear some opinions from readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2010/02/05/independence-or-a-new-dependency/comment-page-1/#comment-282260</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hydrogen my friend!! What ever happened to that Hydrogen Powered car that was on 60 minutes back 10 or more years ago, Morley shaffer reported i think as dan would rather not!! Clean Renewable Hydrogen!! Just Don&#039;t Split it for Harmful ways!! Electroloysis is way better than Fusion anyday! Produce cheaply Stored properly just as safe as propane or gasoline Good Ol h2O = Problem solved and ALL that Methane goin down the tubes!! Man LA has enuff sewage Methane Alone to Power??? LA and more?n
then add the Landfill and thats alot of wasted usable energy Stuff that one into Your Oil Barrel! and take back your stinking barges that Can and Have Faulterd. and yep Good ole wood alkyhaul, have fun in those bushes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hydrogen my friend!! What ever happened to that Hydrogen Powered car that was on 60 minutes back 10 or more years ago, Morley shaffer reported i think as dan would rather not!! Clean Renewable Hydrogen!! Just Don&#8217;t Split it for Harmful ways!! Electroloysis is way better than Fusion anyday! Produce cheaply Stored properly just as safe as propane or gasoline Good Ol h2O = Problem solved and ALL that Methane goin down the tubes!! Man LA has enuff sewage Methane Alone to Power??? LA and more?n<br />
then add the Landfill and thats alot of wasted usable energy Stuff that one into Your Oil Barrel! and take back your stinking barges that Can and Have Faulterd. and yep Good ole wood alkyhaul, have fun in those bushes!</p>
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