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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/12/01/off-grid-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-268296</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 08:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for clearing that up Wretha, I guess I&#039;m the type that would love to be &quot;off-grid&quot; in the Matrix sense, as I really dislike Big Brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for clearing that up Wretha, I guess I&#8217;m the type that would love to be &#8220;off-grid&#8221; in the Matrix sense, as I really dislike Big Brother!</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/12/01/off-grid-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-268272</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 18:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi &lt;strong&gt;Chris&lt;/strong&gt;, it&#039;s true that the words &quot;off grid&quot; mean different things to different people. In my case, and probably the people who are writing here, off grid means living without being hooked up to the utility grid, usually referring to electricity, it can also include any other utility service, water, gas, phone...  We generate all of our own power using solar panels, we heat with wood, haul in water and such, we are very much modern day pioneers. I get my internet from a wireless service. I &lt;em&gt;AM&lt;/em&gt; in a somewhat isolated area, there are few people out here. We aren&#039;t &quot;hiding&quot; from anyone, Big Brother included, I do enjoy having more freedom (from spying eyes) than I did when living in the city, it would be folly to think that where I am now, I could be completely hidden from Big Brother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi <strong>Chris</strong>, it&#8217;s true that the words &#8220;off grid&#8221; mean different things to different people. In my case, and probably the people who are writing here, off grid means living without being hooked up to the utility grid, usually referring to electricity, it can also include any other utility service, water, gas, phone&#8230;  We generate all of our own power using solar panels, we heat with wood, haul in water and such, we are very much modern day pioneers. I get my internet from a wireless service. I <em>AM</em> in a somewhat isolated area, there are few people out here. We aren&#8217;t &#8220;hiding&#8221; from anyone, Big Brother included, I do enjoy having more freedom (from spying eyes) than I did when living in the city, it would be folly to think that where I am now, I could be completely hidden from Big Brother.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jan 2010 09:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am at a bit of a loss here as my understanding was that &quot;off-grid&quot; meant that &quot;Big Brother&quot; could not watch you, however all the people that claim to be living &quot;off-grid&quot; are emailing this blog, and therefore are being watched by Big Brother. 

Surely the best way to be &quot;off-grid&quot; is to find a place in an isolated area, as far away as possible from the spying eyes of those every intrusive CCTV eyes, cut up your credit cards, through away your mobile, smash your netbook/laptop/PDA/PC into a million pieces and live off the land.......only then will you be &quot;off-grid&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am at a bit of a loss here as my understanding was that &#8220;off-grid&#8221; meant that &#8220;Big Brother&#8221; could not watch you, however all the people that claim to be living &#8220;off-grid&#8221; are emailing this blog, and therefore are being watched by Big Brother. </p>
<p>Surely the best way to be &#8220;off-grid&#8221; is to find a place in an isolated area, as far away as possible from the spying eyes of those every intrusive CCTV eyes, cut up your credit cards, through away your mobile, smash your netbook/laptop/PDA/PC into a million pieces and live off the land&#8230;&#8230;.only then will you be &#8220;off-grid&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/12/01/off-grid-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-266168</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jan 2010 04:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks &lt;strong&gt;Fred&lt;/strong&gt; for your detailed comment, there are lots of things not discussed in this post, it was merely a Q&amp;A from one of my readers. Go back and read the rest of my articles, my hubby and I live 100% off grid, have done so full time since Dec 07, our place is somewhat primitive, we do have hot water though, we use an on demand, propane fired tankless water heater, it works great. Your hot water system wouldn&#039;t work well for us, we live in the desert and don&#039;t need wood heat all the time, just during the coldest months, and then usually only at night and on cloudy days.  Even though we live in the desert, we are 100% off grid, we have no utilities at our place, we generate all of our electricity with solar panels, store it in deep cycle batteries, we haul our water, use propane to cook and heat water. We do have internet, but even that&#039;s wireless. Our phone is an internet phone, so no phone pole either.

When we drive, which is not very often and not very far, we have a 69 VW Beetle, it works great out here in the high desert mountain roads, most of the other people drive so called better cars, newer, more expensive cars, their vehicles are torn up by the dirt roads out here, so even though it&#039;s gasoline powered, it&#039;s still a bargain for us to operate, the parts are readily available and cheap, we can work on it ourselves instead of having to take it to a dealership... 

Might pick your brain later about wells though, our ground water out here is great, but drilling a well is expensive, my neighbor&#039;s well went to 400 feet, but static for him is 200, that&#039;s still pretty far for DIY drilling. We use a Berkey Light water purifier, it works great, it&#039;s gravity fed, no power needed, the water directly from a well is fine to drink, but if you store it in a tank (which we do) I prefer running it through the  Berkey Light before drinking it or cooking with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <strong>Fred</strong> for your detailed comment, there are lots of things not discussed in this post, it was merely a Q&amp;A from one of my readers. Go back and read the rest of my articles, my hubby and I live 100% off grid, have done so full time since Dec 07, our place is somewhat primitive, we do have hot water though, we use an on demand, propane fired tankless water heater, it works great. Your hot water system wouldn&#8217;t work well for us, we live in the desert and don&#8217;t need wood heat all the time, just during the coldest months, and then usually only at night and on cloudy days.  Even though we live in the desert, we are 100% off grid, we have no utilities at our place, we generate all of our electricity with solar panels, store it in deep cycle batteries, we haul our water, use propane to cook and heat water. We do have internet, but even that&#8217;s wireless. Our phone is an internet phone, so no phone pole either.</p>
<p>When we drive, which is not very often and not very far, we have a 69 VW Beetle, it works great out here in the high desert mountain roads, most of the other people drive so called better cars, newer, more expensive cars, their vehicles are torn up by the dirt roads out here, so even though it&#8217;s gasoline powered, it&#8217;s still a bargain for us to operate, the parts are readily available and cheap, we can work on it ourselves instead of having to take it to a dealership&#8230; </p>
<p>Might pick your brain later about wells though, our ground water out here is great, but drilling a well is expensive, my neighbor&#8217;s well went to 400 feet, but static for him is 200, that&#8217;s still pretty far for DIY drilling. We use a Berkey Light water purifier, it works great, it&#8217;s gravity fed, no power needed, the water directly from a well is fine to drink, but if you store it in a tank (which we do) I prefer running it through the  Berkey Light before drinking it or cooking with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Lornkanaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lornkanaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Dec 2009 15:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fred,

Maybe you need to start submitting articles here--sounds like you&#039;re quite the expert!

Thanks for the book recommendation.  I&#039;ll have to keep an eye out for it.  My hubby and I will be retiring soon (I hope) and I&#039;ve been planning for the past several years on how we can live as sustainably as possible, to include searching for a piece of property with a home with a lot of potential.  I&#039;m constantly on the lookout for green alternatives that will save us big bucks in the long run.

TheMajor&#039;sLady</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fred,</p>
<p>Maybe you need to start submitting articles here&#8211;sounds like you&#8217;re quite the expert!</p>
<p>Thanks for the book recommendation.  I&#8217;ll have to keep an eye out for it.  My hubby and I will be retiring soon (I hope) and I&#8217;ve been planning for the past several years on how we can live as sustainably as possible, to include searching for a piece of property with a home with a lot of potential.  I&#8217;m constantly on the lookout for green alternatives that will save us big bucks in the long run.</p>
<p>TheMajor&#8217;sLady</p>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:18:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting qestions and responses.  Having lived for several years in a passive solar/active solar (hot water)/fireplace heated home twenty years ago I would strongly suggest everyone thinking of going &quot;off-grid&quot; to purchase and carefully read &quot;The Renewable Energy Handbook&quot; by William H. Kemp-published in 2005.
It&#039;s not overly technical so it should meet most people&#039;s needs.  Virtually every question asked on this web site is  covered in detail in that book.

I am surprised hot water heating (30% of most home&#039;s energy) is not discussed in the questions or the answers. The home I built and designied used the back of the fireplace  during the winter and active solar during the summer to heat the water.  This was for a family of four (two adults and two children) and saved a chunk of change.  
A custom designed mild steel steel (iron) fireplace with external air source with a plenum area behind the fireplace is required. The plenum area connected to the back up gas furnace fan (and thermostat). If I had not been so lazy and got up earlier enough every morning in the winter I would not have used any gas!

Yes, I know a wood stove, is more efficient than a fireplace but I like (and my wife)  the fireplace appearance.  With the external air source that entered through the front floor of the fireplace  we could completely close the glass doors and stop all drafts that are created by fireplaces. 

To be environmentally carbon (i.e. carbon dioxide ) neutral, I would also suggest everyone, if possible, use 100% biodiesal or anaerobic digestor created methane where fuel other than wood is required.  This should definitely be used in any back up generator.

Personally, for transportation, I am looking at the  electric/biodiesal XR3 from Riley. It&#039;s a three wheeled small vehicle that suppsedly get 200 m/gal depending on how you calculate it. Lets not forget about the impact of gasoline or natural gas use on air pollution.

Everything I have read, unless you are in the deep south or a desert you will need a small stream or high tide with a microturbine to be truely &quot;off-grid&quot;. The reasons  are discussed in detail in Kemp&#039;s book.

My career has been water treatment so if you have any specfic questions about water well design, reuse or drinking water treatment please contact me.

Good luck everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting qestions and responses.  Having lived for several years in a passive solar/active solar (hot water)/fireplace heated home twenty years ago I would strongly suggest everyone thinking of going &#8220;off-grid&#8221; to purchase and carefully read &#8220;The Renewable Energy Handbook&#8221; by William H. Kemp-published in 2005.<br />
It&#8217;s not overly technical so it should meet most people&#8217;s needs.  Virtually every question asked on this web site is  covered in detail in that book.</p>
<p>I am surprised hot water heating (30% of most home&#8217;s energy) is not discussed in the questions or the answers. The home I built and designied used the back of the fireplace  during the winter and active solar during the summer to heat the water.  This was for a family of four (two adults and two children) and saved a chunk of change.<br />
A custom designed mild steel steel (iron) fireplace with external air source with a plenum area behind the fireplace is required. The plenum area connected to the back up gas furnace fan (and thermostat). If I had not been so lazy and got up earlier enough every morning in the winter I would not have used any gas!</p>
<p>Yes, I know a wood stove, is more efficient than a fireplace but I like (and my wife)  the fireplace appearance.  With the external air source that entered through the front floor of the fireplace  we could completely close the glass doors and stop all drafts that are created by fireplaces. </p>
<p>To be environmentally carbon (i.e. carbon dioxide ) neutral, I would also suggest everyone, if possible, use 100% biodiesal or anaerobic digestor created methane where fuel other than wood is required.  This should definitely be used in any back up generator.</p>
<p>Personally, for transportation, I am looking at the  electric/biodiesal XR3 from Riley. It&#8217;s a three wheeled small vehicle that suppsedly get 200 m/gal depending on how you calculate it. Lets not forget about the impact of gasoline or natural gas use on air pollution.</p>
<p>Everything I have read, unless you are in the deep south or a desert you will need a small stream or high tide with a microturbine to be truely &#8220;off-grid&#8221;. The reasons  are discussed in detail in Kemp&#8217;s book.</p>
<p>My career has been water treatment so if you have any specfic questions about water well design, reuse or drinking water treatment please contact me.</p>
<p>Good luck everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/12/01/off-grid-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-265494</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Heather&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for writing, all I can say to you is when you move to your location in the mountains, ask around (the locals) to see what they use, find out what&#039;s available and the price of each service, find out how happy the locals are with what they are using, it isn&#039;t a good thing to get a great deal on something you will not be happy with in the long run. Don&#039;t worry about researching this until closer to the time when you are going to move, internet companies and deals come and go, chances are there will be options available to you then that don&#039;t exist now. 

I don&#039;t have satellite TV or internet, but everyone else who lives out here does, from what I understand the internet and TV satellite systems are two separate systems, you don&#039;t get deals or breaks just because you have both, though this may be different where you live.

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Heather</strong>, thanks for writing, all I can say to you is when you move to your location in the mountains, ask around (the locals) to see what they use, find out what&#8217;s available and the price of each service, find out how happy the locals are with what they are using, it isn&#8217;t a good thing to get a great deal on something you will not be happy with in the long run. Don&#8217;t worry about researching this until closer to the time when you are going to move, internet companies and deals come and go, chances are there will be options available to you then that don&#8217;t exist now. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have satellite TV or internet, but everyone else who lives out here does, from what I understand the internet and TV satellite systems are two separate systems, you don&#8217;t get deals or breaks just because you have both, though this may be different where you live.</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks &lt;strong&gt;TheMajor’sLady&lt;/strong&gt;, I have heard of these things, haven&#039;t considered using it though, might be something to look at later. We don&#039;t really need a freezer, but using a chest freezer as a refrigerator is something we can use and it is on the &quot;to do&quot; list.

Glad you like reading my stuff, I enjoy writing, never though I&#039;d have such a great audience when I first started. :)

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <strong>TheMajor’sLady</strong>, I have heard of these things, haven&#8217;t considered using it though, might be something to look at later. We don&#8217;t really need a freezer, but using a chest freezer as a refrigerator is something we can use and it is on the &#8220;to do&#8221; list.</p>
<p>Glad you like reading my stuff, I enjoy writing, never though I&#8217;d have such a great audience when I first started. :)</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No prob &lt;strong&gt;Marcy&lt;/strong&gt;, glad to do it. :)</description>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/12/01/off-grid-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-265490</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 20:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;BuelahMan&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for your reply, don&#039;t worry about the fact that you can&#039;t go 100% off grid now, just keep heading in the right direction and you&#039;ll get there. As far as a deep freeze goes, yes they do take a lot of power, it&#039;s possible to have enough solar power to run a freezer, but I would suggest going toward other ways of preserving food, dehydrating and canning come to mind, both methods can be done with little to no power. The problem with relying on technology (freezers) to keep your food is how much loss would you have if something happened to your freezer? Whether it was the freezer that failed or your system to keep it running (off grid or on the grid). It&#039;s just too risky, at least for me it would be.

Keep up the good work, I visited your site, very interesting indeed! :)

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>BuelahMan</strong>, thanks for your reply, don&#8217;t worry about the fact that you can&#8217;t go 100% off grid now, just keep heading in the right direction and you&#8217;ll get there. As far as a deep freeze goes, yes they do take a lot of power, it&#8217;s possible to have enough solar power to run a freezer, but I would suggest going toward other ways of preserving food, dehydrating and canning come to mind, both methods can be done with little to no power. The problem with relying on technology (freezers) to keep your food is how much loss would you have if something happened to your freezer? Whether it was the freezer that failed or your system to keep it running (off grid or on the grid). It&#8217;s just too risky, at least for me it would be.</p>
<p>Keep up the good work, I visited your site, very interesting indeed! :)</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: Heather</title>
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		<dc:creator>Heather</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice post.  Thanks for all the info.  I&#039;m curious to know more about the wireless internet microwave system you spoke of.   I&#039;ve never heard of such a thing.  We will be moving to the mountains in a few years and it can be difficult to get internet in the mountain tops.  I know satellite internet is not cheap especially when we do not intend to have satellite TV.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice post.  Thanks for all the info.  I&#8217;m curious to know more about the wireless internet microwave system you spoke of.   I&#8217;ve never heard of such a thing.  We will be moving to the mountains in a few years and it can be difficult to get internet in the mountain tops.  I know satellite internet is not cheap especially when we do not intend to have satellite TV.</p>
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		<title>By: Lornkanaga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lornkanaga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wretha,

I think I asked this once of you, but have you considered using the night sky for freezing water to keep food cold/frozen?  On clear nights, you can concentrate the night sky using a reflective cone or even a solar oven with a concentrator on water to make ice.  You can even use this principle with refrigerant at night (ie expose a refrigerator coil to the night sky using a concentrator, which will cool the refrigerant in the line exposed, causing the colder refrigerant to drop into the refrigerator/freezer to either cool or even freeze what&#039;s there.  This is based in part on the &quot;Four-Mile Island Ice Box&quot; I mentioned before as well as what I&#039;ve read at HomePower magazine and various websites on &quot;solar cooling&quot;.

Keep writing--I love your stuff!

TheMajor&#039;sLady</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wretha,</p>
<p>I think I asked this once of you, but have you considered using the night sky for freezing water to keep food cold/frozen?  On clear nights, you can concentrate the night sky using a reflective cone or even a solar oven with a concentrator on water to make ice.  You can even use this principle with refrigerant at night (ie expose a refrigerator coil to the night sky using a concentrator, which will cool the refrigerant in the line exposed, causing the colder refrigerant to drop into the refrigerator/freezer to either cool or even freeze what&#8217;s there.  This is based in part on the &#8220;Four-Mile Island Ice Box&#8221; I mentioned before as well as what I&#8217;ve read at HomePower magazine and various websites on &#8220;solar cooling&#8221;.</p>
<p>Keep writing&#8211;I love your stuff!</p>
<p>TheMajor&#8217;sLady</p>
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		<title>By: Marcy Crist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcy Crist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 05:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting my site... and questions Wretha!  BuelahMan has already stopped by!</description>
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		<title>By: BuelahMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BuelahMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is great. Excellent advice.

I am fairly new to this and I am starting small, but I have many of the same issues. Unfortunately, I cannot go completely off-grid (at least, yet). What my intent is would be to become as self-sufficient as possible and make the final leap a bit later (depending on the SHTF situations that seem to be very near at hand).

I take a slightly different tact. I want to make sure I can power my deep freeze (I live in the SE USA) and provide some other small current devices like a PC and LED lights, etc. It is full of last year&#039;s garden veggies now. And the temp is too warm to just sit stuff outside. Problem is that freezers take a lot of power.

But, eventually, I want to go completely off grid. Knowing that I am not totally reliant on TVA makes me feel good.

Thanks for sharing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is great. Excellent advice.</p>
<p>I am fairly new to this and I am starting small, but I have many of the same issues. Unfortunately, I cannot go completely off-grid (at least, yet). What my intent is would be to become as self-sufficient as possible and make the final leap a bit later (depending on the SHTF situations that seem to be very near at hand).</p>
<p>I take a slightly different tact. I want to make sure I can power my deep freeze (I live in the SE USA) and provide some other small current devices like a PC and LED lights, etc. It is full of last year&#8217;s garden veggies now. And the temp is too warm to just sit stuff outside. Problem is that freezers take a lot of power.</p>
<p>But, eventually, I want to go completely off grid. Knowing that I am not totally reliant on TVA makes me feel good.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing this.</p>
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