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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-230078</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 15:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks &lt;strong&gt;Chad&lt;/strong&gt;, I agree. At some point our (collective) lifestyle will collapse, and we will be forced to go back to the &quot;old ways&quot;, when that happens, I&#039;ll be ready.

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks <strong>Chad</strong>, I agree. At some point our (collective) lifestyle will collapse, and we will be forced to go back to the &#8220;old ways&#8221;, when that happens, I&#8217;ll be ready.</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-230073</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah.. the legacy of the self sustained farm home and functional agrarian community units.  I think we and chickens will be much happier when we as humans take a sincere investigation into how we live now in relation to home and food compared to how we lived 100 or even 50 years ago.  Closer to the source for me thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah.. the legacy of the self sustained farm home and functional agrarian community units.  I think we and chickens will be much happier when we as humans take a sincere investigation into how we live now in relation to home and food compared to how we lived 100 or even 50 years ago.  Closer to the source for me thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-224820</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 06:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;4un4me&lt;/strong&gt;, thanks for your comment, yes, it is true that words can be perverted, on packaging companies can almost say anything they want. But honestly, I prefer to have less regulation, not more. Sure it would be great to be able to blindly believe everything written on a package, but any time we allow the government or other agencies to have more control, we just don&#039;t know where they will stop, this may be good but the next rule they make might not be as good for us, the FDA comes to mind... they would like nothing more than to take away all vitamins, herbs and other supplements, but don&#039;t get me started there! :)

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>4un4me</strong>, thanks for your comment, yes, it is true that words can be perverted, on packaging companies can almost say anything they want. But honestly, I prefer to have less regulation, not more. Sure it would be great to be able to blindly believe everything written on a package, but any time we allow the government or other agencies to have more control, we just don&#8217;t know where they will stop, this may be good but the next rule they make might not be as good for us, the FDA comes to mind&#8230; they would like nothing more than to take away all vitamins, herbs and other supplements, but don&#8217;t get me started there! :)</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: 4un4me</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-224303</link>
		<dc:creator>4un4me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 14:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmmm . . . sounds to me that it is just like using the word &quot;ORGANIC&quot; to imply that something is grown in a way that would make it totally safe to consume . . . when we all know that some of the products that pass the &quot;organic&quot; label are more dangerous to us than some that don&#039;t qualify.
To me it is an abuse of terms, and requires that new, updated terminology that defines the true perameters and conditions are needed.
But of course even those new terms can again be perverted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmmm . . . sounds to me that it is just like using the word &#8220;ORGANIC&#8221; to imply that something is grown in a way that would make it totally safe to consume . . . when we all know that some of the products that pass the &#8220;organic&#8221; label are more dangerous to us than some that don&#8217;t qualify.<br />
To me it is an abuse of terms, and requires that new, updated terminology that defines the true perameters and conditions are needed.<br />
But of course even those new terms can again be perverted.</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222698</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 01:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gabrielle, I appreciate you copying your message here. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gabrielle, I appreciate you copying your message here. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Gabrielle</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222413</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabrielle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 20:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you, we need to take back our backyards!  Now if only I didn&#039;t live in an apartment...

Or, we could go vegan, like I have already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you, we need to take back our backyards!  Now if only I didn&#8217;t live in an apartment&#8230;</p>
<p>Or, we could go vegan, like I have already.</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222375</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 21:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Poultry Farmer&lt;/strong&gt;, it sounds like we need more poultry farmers like you! You care about your chickens, and you look after them properly. Thanks for dropping by and taking the time to leave your comment, I appreciate each and every one. :)

PS, I&#039;m not a do gooder tree hugging vegetarian activist, I just don&#039;t like reading propaganda that certain people/groups in government like to promote, I couldn&#039;t allow this to pass unchallenged.

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Poultry Farmer</strong>, it sounds like we need more poultry farmers like you! You care about your chickens, and you look after them properly. Thanks for dropping by and taking the time to leave your comment, I appreciate each and every one. :)</p>
<p>PS, I&#8217;m not a do gooder tree hugging vegetarian activist, I just don&#8217;t like reading propaganda that certain people/groups in government like to promote, I couldn&#8217;t allow this to pass unchallenged.</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: Poultry Farmer</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222341</link>
		<dc:creator>Poultry Farmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 03:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well...I was just browsing the net and come upon this article. This is funny, funny stuff. Anybody can place picture in a article and call it whatever they want then everyone believes that it is the truth(notice how old the pic&#039;s look!!!) In any given area of LIFE there are people who misuse their industries. I guess we should all stop eating peanuts, tomato, and lettuce because science has proven that they can feel pain!!! I raise cage free poultry in an controlled environment and guess what? If they are overcrowded I loose money, if they get to hot I loose money, if they get to cold I loose money, if they get startled I loose money. They stay between 65 to 75 degrees year round. I Would even sleep in the house with them(my wife has threatened me) because it is very peaceful. I enjoy sitting with them while they sleep because it is relaxing and some times I can find problems that may disturb them. OUR GOAL AS A POULTRY PRODUCER IS A HAPPY CHICKEN, BECAUSE A UNHAPPY CHICKEN IS A PROFIT LOSE!!!! If you have never raised chickens then you do not know that the most cruel creature to a chicken is a chicken. The males will kill the females from mating, they cull their own on natural instinct. It is illegal to give hormones to chicken!!! The FDA checks the poultry industry continuously but because a previous comment said so then it must be true... lol..Get a clue people their are lies on both sides of the cause, but the vast majority of producers tries to do what is right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well&#8230;I was just browsing the net and come upon this article. This is funny, funny stuff. Anybody can place picture in a article and call it whatever they want then everyone believes that it is the truth(notice how old the pic&#8217;s look!!!) In any given area of LIFE there are people who misuse their industries. I guess we should all stop eating peanuts, tomato, and lettuce because science has proven that they can feel pain!!! I raise cage free poultry in an controlled environment and guess what? If they are overcrowded I loose money, if they get to hot I loose money, if they get to cold I loose money, if they get startled I loose money. They stay between 65 to 75 degrees year round. I Would even sleep in the house with them(my wife has threatened me) because it is very peaceful. I enjoy sitting with them while they sleep because it is relaxing and some times I can find problems that may disturb them. OUR GOAL AS A POULTRY PRODUCER IS A HAPPY CHICKEN, BECAUSE A UNHAPPY CHICKEN IS A PROFIT LOSE!!!! If you have never raised chickens then you do not know that the most cruel creature to a chicken is a chicken. The males will kill the females from mating, they cull their own on natural instinct. It is illegal to give hormones to chicken!!! The FDA checks the poultry industry continuously but because a previous comment said so then it must be true&#8230; lol..Get a clue people their are lies on both sides of the cause, but the vast majority of producers tries to do what is right.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222135</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 06:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just as well that Pilgrim&#039;s Pride filed for bankruptcy in December.  I grew up with free range chickens on our little place, and it didn&#039;t look like what these yahoos are calling free range.  Good grief, how can they even think that would be sanitary.  I&#039;m planning on having my own little brood for eggs and meat, but they will all live quite comfortably I assure you.  This is just another attempt to inform the masses what they should believe so that you and I with our &quot;free range&quot; chickens will be seen as the bad guy one day.  God help us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just as well that Pilgrim&#8217;s Pride filed for bankruptcy in December.  I grew up with free range chickens on our little place, and it didn&#8217;t look like what these yahoos are calling free range.  Good grief, how can they even think that would be sanitary.  I&#8217;m planning on having my own little brood for eggs and meat, but they will all live quite comfortably I assure you.  This is just another attempt to inform the masses what they should believe so that you and I with our &#8220;free range&#8221; chickens will be seen as the bad guy one day.  God help us.</p>
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		<title>By: How to Live Off Grid</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222132</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Live Off Grid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 04:01:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is insane. There&#039;s no way they can actually call that free range. Give me a BREAK!!!

We raised chickens and turkeys ~ really free range ~ 3 acres to roam for quite a while. Unfortunately the local bobcats got a bit of our flock. 

Now that we are home in the eve to make sure they get back inside we are going to start a new flock in the spring. I can&#039;t wait to let my 3 year old experience raising chickens. 

Glad I found you blog, I&#039;m looking forward to learning more about your off grid adventures. It&#039;s my dream to tell our rural electric coop to take a hike!

Jackie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is insane. There&#8217;s no way they can actually call that free range. Give me a BREAK!!!</p>
<p>We raised chickens and turkeys ~ really free range ~ 3 acres to roam for quite a while. Unfortunately the local bobcats got a bit of our flock. </p>
<p>Now that we are home in the eve to make sure they get back inside we are going to start a new flock in the spring. I can&#8217;t wait to let my 3 year old experience raising chickens. </p>
<p>Glad I found you blog, I&#8217;m looking forward to learning more about your off grid adventures. It&#8217;s my dream to tell our rural electric coop to take a hike!</p>
<p>Jackie</p>
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		<title>By: mntmantech@yahoo.com</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222113</link>
		<dc:creator>mntmantech@yahoo.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 21:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again the drive by media threw junk out and feel they were righteous because they quantified it with a bunch of leftover facts from clueless researcher looking for a check.  Who defined the definitions of “Free Range”???

This does however seem to be common.  I recently attended a public meeting on a dairy that wanted to open on tribal land here in Washington.  To the thinkers they justified every aspect about the dairy with fact and figures. Accounting for everything (or so they thought) including using the methane to generate electricity.  

You would have thought that they would have asked the tribal counsel first, before they wasted thousands putting on the dog and pony show they preformed.  I sat there in shock to find out that the public meeting was not even close to the location of the dairy.  Fortunately many of the tribal members showed up and asked good questions, but again they missed the mark with questions like: “Will you be selling your electricity generated to Tribal Electric?”  I thought Tribal Land required all uses of the land be approved by tribal council.

Common Sense is lost in the “drive by media” and the group dynamic seems to be blinded by the misdirection of the magicians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again the drive by media threw junk out and feel they were righteous because they quantified it with a bunch of leftover facts from clueless researcher looking for a check.  Who defined the definitions of “Free Range”???</p>
<p>This does however seem to be common.  I recently attended a public meeting on a dairy that wanted to open on tribal land here in Washington.  To the thinkers they justified every aspect about the dairy with fact and figures. Accounting for everything (or so they thought) including using the methane to generate electricity.  </p>
<p>You would have thought that they would have asked the tribal counsel first, before they wasted thousands putting on the dog and pony show they preformed.  I sat there in shock to find out that the public meeting was not even close to the location of the dairy.  Fortunately many of the tribal members showed up and asked good questions, but again they missed the mark with questions like: “Will you be selling your electricity generated to Tribal Electric?”  I thought Tribal Land required all uses of the land be approved by tribal council.</p>
<p>Common Sense is lost in the “drive by media” and the group dynamic seems to be blinded by the misdirection of the magicians.</p>
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		<title>By: Wretha</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222107</link>
		<dc:creator>Wretha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 18:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks MrsDirtyBoots, you&#039;d think these &quot;researchers&quot; would be a bit more wise, but it seems that the propaganda machine is a well oiled machine.

Wretha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks MrsDirtyBoots, you&#8217;d think these &#8220;researchers&#8221; would be a bit more wise, but it seems that the propaganda machine is a well oiled machine.</p>
<p>Wretha</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222104</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 16:53:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smaller flocks is not the answer for commercial farmers. Smaller flocks means less money. Thats why they switched to free range, more chickens per square foot means more profit and even if the death rate goes up its still more than offset by the increased profitability. 

Sadly, until I read this article, I assumed &quot;free range&quot; meant they were out in the pasture like cows, not that they were inside buildings like that. No wonder they advertise the &quot;free range&quot; nomenclature, it has automatic assumptions built in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smaller flocks is not the answer for commercial farmers. Smaller flocks means less money. Thats why they switched to free range, more chickens per square foot means more profit and even if the death rate goes up its still more than offset by the increased profitability. </p>
<p>Sadly, until I read this article, I assumed &#8220;free range&#8221; meant they were out in the pasture like cows, not that they were inside buildings like that. No wonder they advertise the &#8220;free range&#8221; nomenclature, it has automatic assumptions built in.</p>
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		<title>By: mrsdirtyboots</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2009/01/25/well-duh/comment-page-1/#comment-222049</link>
		<dc:creator>mrsdirtyboots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 16:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bonkers - surely the answer to all those issues are just plane common sense.  SMALLER FLOCKS!.  Hopefully as more backyard hens are kept people will see more need to find out where their chicken comes from...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bonkers &#8211; surely the answer to all those issues are just plane common sense.  SMALLER FLOCKS!.  Hopefully as more backyard hens are kept people will see more need to find out where their chicken comes from&#8230;</p>
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