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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-252376</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 13:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting,

I stopped following this Citizenre fiasco a couple years ago, and when I saw this post pop up, I had to laugh, they still are not ready?

Too bad it took so long given the solar industry is about to meet its end next year, so for anyone considering any solar installation, wait for another couple months or you will regret it. 

I happen to have seen a system which will negate need for solar or wind and supply more than enough power for any residential or commercial application.  Patents were accepted, awaiting issuing as we speak, so just simply put off any solar installation decisions for a few more months.

Success to all,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting,</p>
<p>I stopped following this Citizenre fiasco a couple years ago, and when I saw this post pop up, I had to laugh, they still are not ready?</p>
<p>Too bad it took so long given the solar industry is about to meet its end next year, so for anyone considering any solar installation, wait for another couple months or you will regret it. </p>
<p>I happen to have seen a system which will negate need for solar or wind and supply more than enough power for any residential or commercial application.  Patents were accepted, awaiting issuing as we speak, so just simply put off any solar installation decisions for a few more months.</p>
<p>Success to all,</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Ouriel</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-248318</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ouriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:59:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CitizenRe is testing their pilot program in Anaheim California.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Ouriel</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-248315</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Ouriel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 18:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to let everyone know CitizenRe is 100% Legit and is now installing systems in the Northwest. I live in Rochester, NY and I am in the process of becoming certified to install solar PV systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to let everyone know CitizenRe is 100% Legit and is now installing systems in the Northwest. I live in Rochester, NY and I am in the process of becoming certified to install solar PV systems.</p>
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		<title>By: klover_dso</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-35098</link>
		<dc:creator>klover_dso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very skeptical about dropshipping and found a couple great companys that are not scams, Now I make an extra 1000-3000 a month selling world instruments on ebay and my website (www.themagicalmysterystour.com)  I have always been very skeptical about any type of telemarketing, pyramid, sell insurance from home on your spare time type or start an eBay business and make 1000&#039;s a week ;o}

  I first heard about this when I clicked on a link from one of my &quot;Eco&quot; Friend&#039;s myspace page.  Immediately I was redirected to www.jointhesolution.com/dunlap and saw that it was another friend of mine I hadn&#039;t heard from in quite some time.  I read it over, thought it was a good idea, and went ahead and filled out a contract (being careful what info was given) mostly to see where the catch was (I figured if Claudia was doing this then it must be somewhat safe/legitamate)  She contacted me and we talked about it for a while.

  She said she had been reading alot about &quot;what is wrong with the company&quot; and how it is a &quot;scam,&quot; so I asked her....&quot;is it?&quot; Asking specific questions that would point to scam.  She said she hasn&#039;t had a bunch of spam mail sent to her, they never asked her for a credit card number, social security number, tand the deposit isn&#039;t due until the system is ready to be installed.  In fact most of the claims stating this company is a scam have been either A) False or exagerated or B) based on the fact that no production is currently being made (they seem to be waiting on the press release to tell the world when it happens. Understandable to protect yourself and your investors from big business terrorists Look into the Adam&#039;s Pulse Generator to know more about what lengths electric and oil companys will go to keep the world from turning green)  There have been statements about no press releases but that turns out not to be true after investigating myself I found a few news conferences and happened to see the name on a cable channel the other day during a home improvement show lol.  The Better Business Bureau Has said nothing negative aout the company as of date and there are no current investigations made public that I am aware of.

  I signed up as a rep. mostly so I could see further into the inner workings (my interest had been sparked.)  There is the obvious Pyramid incentive making you want to sign up new accounts under your name, and teach other likely people to make refferals and get new contracts, which usually turns me away, but I support the cause and see no real threat.

  Actually the people that are most uneasy with this are the big solar companies.  It would seem they are afraid of losing possible customers that will decide to rent rather than buy.

  I looked at the petition to SEC and almost half of the people that signed claim to be from different solar organizations and/or companies most of the rest are anonymous (very brave eh?)

  I believe with the situations of global warming at hand and our newly elected Democratic House and Congress there will be alot of support for this type of technology.

  Who does have something to lose from this?  Well the electric Company for one not to mention the major oil companys also the current solar companys will be forced to compete with this &quot;mass production&quot;  So of course there will be millions of dollars paid to discredit, disrupt, and lobby against.

  Let&#039;s take a quick look at  the California Clean Air Act, It was a model for clean air that could have gained support from several other states and countries, requiring automobile industry to produce a certain amount of cars sold passing very strict emmissions testing guidelines.  The &quot;plug in electric car&quot; was created and destroyed after the destruction of the Clean Air Act by the major Oil and Auto industrys Lobbyists.

  To me that is the biggest concern, not the company taking my money and running, but instead the Major business Energy and Oil Destroying the company before it even gets off of the ground.  I raise my hand in support of the idea.   If for some unfortunate reason the company does not make it off of the ground I will know that I tried and supported for the good of the world and not the greed of humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very skeptical about dropshipping and found a couple great companys that are not scams, Now I make an extra 1000-3000 a month selling world instruments on ebay and my website (www.themagicalmysterystour.com)  I have always been very skeptical about any type of telemarketing, pyramid, sell insurance from home on your spare time type or start an eBay business and make 1000&#8217;s a week ;o}</p>
<p>  I first heard about this when I clicked on a link from one of my &#8220;Eco&#8221; Friend&#8217;s myspace page.  Immediately I was redirected to <a href="http://www.jointhesolution.com/dunlap" rel="nofollow">http://www.jointhesolution.com/dunlap</a> and saw that it was another friend of mine I hadn&#8217;t heard from in quite some time.  I read it over, thought it was a good idea, and went ahead and filled out a contract (being careful what info was given) mostly to see where the catch was (I figured if Claudia was doing this then it must be somewhat safe/legitamate)  She contacted me and we talked about it for a while.</p>
<p>  She said she had been reading alot about &#8220;what is wrong with the company&#8221; and how it is a &#8220;scam,&#8221; so I asked her&#8230;.&#8221;is it?&#8221; Asking specific questions that would point to scam.  She said she hasn&#8217;t had a bunch of spam mail sent to her, they never asked her for a credit card number, social security number, tand the deposit isn&#8217;t due until the system is ready to be installed.  In fact most of the claims stating this company is a scam have been either A) False or exagerated or B) based on the fact that no production is currently being made (they seem to be waiting on the press release to tell the world when it happens. Understandable to protect yourself and your investors from big business terrorists Look into the Adam&#8217;s Pulse Generator to know more about what lengths electric and oil companys will go to keep the world from turning green)  There have been statements about no press releases but that turns out not to be true after investigating myself I found a few news conferences and happened to see the name on a cable channel the other day during a home improvement show lol.  The Better Business Bureau Has said nothing negative aout the company as of date and there are no current investigations made public that I am aware of.</p>
<p>  I signed up as a rep. mostly so I could see further into the inner workings (my interest had been sparked.)  There is the obvious Pyramid incentive making you want to sign up new accounts under your name, and teach other likely people to make refferals and get new contracts, which usually turns me away, but I support the cause and see no real threat.</p>
<p>  Actually the people that are most uneasy with this are the big solar companies.  It would seem they are afraid of losing possible customers that will decide to rent rather than buy.</p>
<p>  I looked at the petition to SEC and almost half of the people that signed claim to be from different solar organizations and/or companies most of the rest are anonymous (very brave eh?)</p>
<p>  I believe with the situations of global warming at hand and our newly elected Democratic House and Congress there will be alot of support for this type of technology.</p>
<p>  Who does have something to lose from this?  Well the electric Company for one not to mention the major oil companys also the current solar companys will be forced to compete with this &#8220;mass production&#8221;  So of course there will be millions of dollars paid to discredit, disrupt, and lobby against.</p>
<p>  Let&#8217;s take a quick look at  the California Clean Air Act, It was a model for clean air that could have gained support from several other states and countries, requiring automobile industry to produce a certain amount of cars sold passing very strict emmissions testing guidelines.  The &#8220;plug in electric car&#8221; was created and destroyed after the destruction of the Clean Air Act by the major Oil and Auto industrys Lobbyists.</p>
<p>  To me that is the biggest concern, not the company taking my money and running, but instead the Major business Energy and Oil Destroying the company before it even gets off of the ground.  I raise my hand in support of the idea.   If for some unfortunate reason the company does not make it off of the ground I will know that I tried and supported for the good of the world and not the greed of humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: klover_dso</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-35096</link>
		<dc:creator>klover_dso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was very skeptical about dropshipping and found a couple great companys that are not scams, Now I make an extra 1000-3000 a month selling world instruments on ebay and my website (www.themagicalmysterystour.com)  I have always been very skeptical about any type of telemarketing, pyramid, sell insurance from home on your spare time type or start an eBay business and make 1000&#039;s a week ;o}

  I first heard about this when I clicked on a link from one of my &quot;Eco&quot; Friend&#039;s myspace page.  Immediately I was redirected to www.jointhesolution.com/dunlap and saw that it was another friend of mine I hadn&#039;t heard from in quite some time.  I read it over, thought it was a good idea, and went ahead and filled out a contract (being careful what info was given) mostly to see where the catch was (I figured if Claudia was doing this then it must be somewhat safe/legitamate)  She contacted me and we talked about it for a while.

  She said she had been reading alot about &quot;what is wrong with the company&quot; and how it is a &quot;scam,&quot; so I asked her....&quot;is it?&quot; Asking specific questions that would point to scam.  She said she hasn&#039;t had a bunch of spam mail sent to her, they never asked her for a credit card number, social security number, tand the deposit isn&#039;t due until the system is ready to be installed.  In fact most of the claims stating this company is a scam have been either A) False or exagerated or B) based on the fact that no production is currently being made (they seem to be waiting on the press release to tell the world when it happens. Understandable to protect yourself and your investors from big business terrorists Look into the Adam&#039;s Pulse Generator to know more about what lengths electric and oil companys will go to keep the world from turning green)  There have been statements about no press releases but that turns out not to be true after investigating myself I found a few news conferences and happened to see the name on a cable channel the other day during a home improvement show lol.  The Better Business Bureau Has said nothing negative aout the company as of date and there are no current investigations made public that I am aware of.

  I signed up as a rep. mostly so I could see further into the inner workings (my interest had been sparked.)  There is the obvious Pyramid incentive making you want to sign up new accounts under your name, and teach other likely people to make refferals and get new contracts, which usually turns me away, but I support the cause and see no real threat.

  Actually the people that are most uneasy with this are the big solar companies.  It would seem they are afraid of losing possible customers that will decide to rent rather than buy.

  I looked at the petition to SEC and almost half of the people that signed claim to be from different solar organizations and/or companies most of the rest are anonymous (very brave eh?)

  I believe with the situations of global warming at hand and our newly elected Democratic House and Congress there will be alot of support for this type of technology.

  Who does have something to lose from this?  Well the electric Company for one not to mention the major oil companys also the current solar companys will be forced to compete with this &quot;mass production&quot;  So of course there will be millions of dollars paid to discredit, disrupt, and lobby against.

  Let&#039;s take a quick look at  the California Clean Air Act, It was a model for clean air that could have gained support from several other states and countries, requiring automobile industry to produce a certain amount of cars sold passing very strict emmissions testing guidelines.  The &quot;plug in electric car&quot; was created and destroyed after the destruction of the Clean Air Act by the major Oil and Auto industrys Lobbyists.

  To me that is the biggest concern, not the company taking my money and running, but instead the Major business Energy and Oil Destroying the company before it even gets off of the ground.  I raise my hand in support of the idea.   If for some unfortunate reason the company does not make it off of the ground I will know that I tried and supported for the good of the world and not the greed of humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was very skeptical about dropshipping and found a couple great companys that are not scams, Now I make an extra 1000-3000 a month selling world instruments on ebay and my website (www.themagicalmysterystour.com)  I have always been very skeptical about any type of telemarketing, pyramid, sell insurance from home on your spare time type or start an eBay business and make 1000&#8217;s a week ;o}</p>
<p>  I first heard about this when I clicked on a link from one of my &#8220;Eco&#8221; Friend&#8217;s myspace page.  Immediately I was redirected to <a href="http://www.jointhesolution.com/dunlap" rel="nofollow">http://www.jointhesolution.com/dunlap</a> and saw that it was another friend of mine I hadn&#8217;t heard from in quite some time.  I read it over, thought it was a good idea, and went ahead and filled out a contract (being careful what info was given) mostly to see where the catch was (I figured if Claudia was doing this then it must be somewhat safe/legitamate)  She contacted me and we talked about it for a while.</p>
<p>  She said she had been reading alot about &#8220;what is wrong with the company&#8221; and how it is a &#8220;scam,&#8221; so I asked her&#8230;.&#8221;is it?&#8221; Asking specific questions that would point to scam.  She said she hasn&#8217;t had a bunch of spam mail sent to her, they never asked her for a credit card number, social security number, tand the deposit isn&#8217;t due until the system is ready to be installed.  In fact most of the claims stating this company is a scam have been either A) False or exagerated or B) based on the fact that no production is currently being made (they seem to be waiting on the press release to tell the world when it happens. Understandable to protect yourself and your investors from big business terrorists Look into the Adam&#8217;s Pulse Generator to know more about what lengths electric and oil companys will go to keep the world from turning green)  There have been statements about no press releases but that turns out not to be true after investigating myself I found a few news conferences and happened to see the name on a cable channel the other day during a home improvement show lol.  The Better Business Bureau Has said nothing negative aout the company as of date and there are no current investigations made public that I am aware of.</p>
<p>  I signed up as a rep. mostly so I could see further into the inner workings (my interest had been sparked.)  There is the obvious Pyramid incentive making you want to sign up new accounts under your name, and teach other likely people to make refferals and get new contracts, which usually turns me away, but I support the cause and see no real threat.</p>
<p>  Actually the people that are most uneasy with this are the big solar companies.  It would seem they are afraid of losing possible customers that will decide to rent rather than buy.</p>
<p>  I looked at the petition to SEC and almost half of the people that signed claim to be from different solar organizations and/or companies most of the rest are anonymous (very brave eh?)</p>
<p>  I believe with the situations of global warming at hand and our newly elected Democratic House and Congress there will be alot of support for this type of technology.</p>
<p>  Who does have something to lose from this?  Well the electric Company for one not to mention the major oil companys also the current solar companys will be forced to compete with this &#8220;mass production&#8221;  So of course there will be millions of dollars paid to discredit, disrupt, and lobby against.</p>
<p>  Let&#8217;s take a quick look at  the California Clean Air Act, It was a model for clean air that could have gained support from several other states and countries, requiring automobile industry to produce a certain amount of cars sold passing very strict emmissions testing guidelines.  The &#8220;plug in electric car&#8221; was created and destroyed after the destruction of the Clean Air Act by the major Oil and Auto industrys Lobbyists.</p>
<p>  To me that is the biggest concern, not the company taking my money and running, but instead the Major business Energy and Oil Destroying the company before it even gets off of the ground.  I raise my hand in support of the idea.   If for some unfortunate reason the company does not make it off of the ground I will know that I tried and supported for the good of the world and not the greed of humanity.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Rosen</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-27204</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Rosen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 21:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gunner - it is very valuable to have your reponse. 
I have amended the story to take account of your viewsand I hope others will also report back here on their experience with the company.  I remain sceptical fo the endeavour, despite the number of perfectly legitimate executives that Citizenre has hired, because it does seem like a something for nothing deal, and when I contacted them they seemed to be a bit flakey, to say the least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gunner &#8211; it is very valuable to have your reponse.<br />
I have amended the story to take account of your viewsand I hope others will also report back here on their experience with the company.  I remain sceptical fo the endeavour, despite the number of perfectly legitimate executives that Citizenre has hired, because it does seem like a something for nothing deal, and when I contacted them they seemed to be a bit flakey, to say the least.</p>
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		<title>By: gunner4375</title>
		<link>http://www.off-grid.net/2007/02/17/citizenre-solar-scam/comment-page-1/#comment-27198</link>
		<dc:creator>gunner4375</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Feb 2007 20:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading the article on Citizenre I went to the sight to check them out. I read through all the info and actually ended up signing up as an ecopreneur. Why? Because the information was clear and to the point. They asked for no money from the ecopreneurs or even fom the customers. The deposit is not due until the home site engineering is done and that is not done until at least some panels are being manufactured. I quess you can question the economics and financing because this is so new and bold. But calling this a scam is a little reckless. Don&#039;t you have to make money for something to be labeled a scam?
Infact, I read that Citizenre  made available 5million to pay part of the ecopreneurs commissions until money is flowing from the system! So I signed up!
Anything can fail in business but I hope this one makes it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading the article on Citizenre I went to the sight to check them out. I read through all the info and actually ended up signing up as an ecopreneur. Why? Because the information was clear and to the point. They asked for no money from the ecopreneurs or even fom the customers. The deposit is not due until the home site engineering is done and that is not done until at least some panels are being manufactured. I quess you can question the economics and financing because this is so new and bold. But calling this a scam is a little reckless. Don&#8217;t you have to make money for something to be labeled a scam?<br />
Infact, I read that Citizenre  made available 5million to pay part of the ecopreneurs commissions until money is flowing from the system! So I signed up!<br />
Anything can fail in business but I hope this one makes it.</p>
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